July 13, 2005
Remembering Fallen Heroes II
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Now I'm really mad! That man died for a pack of lies told by Blair and Bush. He was sent to Iraq against his wishes, ordered to do things he didn't want to do and was ruthlessly killed by nationalist/jihadi thugs.
What are the troops doing over there anyway? Seems the locals keep killing them at the rate of two a day. Is it worth it that three-year old boys grow up fatherless because of BUSH? I say hell no and all you chickenhawks who cheer on this bloody spectacle are guilty of blood treason and should be down low ashamed of yourselves! All you Klansman Roosters and Gimps and Thanoses and assorted thuggish genocidal fantasizers should join the goddamned army or shut the hell up!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 05:47 AM (ScqM8)
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P.s. Klanrooster - knock it off with your goddamned grunting death threats and "raghead hunts" - all hot air from a raggedy man. You too "America cleansing" Gimprobulus Necrophilious - stick to your strange games and leave the Muslims alone. There's been enough killing without you numbnuts adding to the toll.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 07:24 AM (ScqM8)
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"Why would any mother who has felt the pain of her sonÂ’s needless death want any more bloodshed and heartbreak? I donÂ’t want any other mothers, American or Iraqi, to go through what I am going through. The only way to honor my sonÂ’s death and to make it count for something is to bring our troops home, NOW!"
Cindy Sheehan of Vacaville, Calif. is founder of Gold Star Families for Peace, www.GSFP.org
There are plenty of heroes right here at home trying to end this madness.
http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=57691
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 08:10 AM (0PbLu)
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Did this mother think her son was joining the Weeblos? Did she think that there was absolutely no chance her son might be killed in battle, doing his job? What does she think the guns are for? Endless drill for...something? If she's against any son or soldier ever dying, I wonder if she tried her damnedest to prevent him from enlisting to begin with. I truly feel bad for her, but I think she's blinded by her grief.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 08:19 AM (x+5JB)
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YBP - no, Cindy Sheehan is FRIGGIN MAD because her son who had good intentions was sucked into a war BASED ON A PACK OF LIES. LIES told by Bush and Blair. She lost her son to absolute cold-hearted bastards who love oil more than human life.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 08:57 AM (ScqM8)
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 08:59 AM (0PbLu)
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P.S. write Cindy Sheehan if you chickenhawk mf's dare - she will make you wish you were subject to Greyrooster's wild mountain boar treatment by the time she is done verbally frying your greasy asses in the fire of her wrath.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 09:01 AM (ScqM8)
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DSM: To say her son was "sucked into a war" doesn't show the man much respect. It makes it seem like he was some dipshit who was in the wrong war at the wrong time instead of a patriotic soldier fighting for his country's interests, whether its for oil, to oust Saddam, or to kill terrorists. Do soldiers choose whether they want to fight or not? He was being obedient to the Commander-in-Chief, something you fail to grasp. And harrassing his grieving, misguided mother is not the prudent thing to do.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 09:13 AM (x+5JB)
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Greg: I won't expect a "Here, here!" from you.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 09:14 AM (x+5JB)
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It's impossible to honor even the fallen dead, as Leftists politicize even that. Is there anything that a Leftist won't politicize? You're disgusting.
Posted by: Carlos at July 14, 2005 09:25 AM (8e/V4)
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YBP,
Soldiers, their parents and the rest of us, do not expect that they will be required to fight in wars founded upon lies. They deserve better. And when they come home, they have every reason to expect that the VA will provide care as needed. They earned it.
When our government lies to us, they have broken the social contract that binds us and they deserve to be replaced by a new government.
Coming on the heals of the 4th of July, a look at the Declaration of Independence might be in order:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to Alter or to Abolish it, and to Institute New Government"
Here, here! (For YBP)
Posted by: Greg at July 14, 2005 09:29 AM (0PbLu)
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There is no point in even trying to rebut Downing Street Memo.
He is oblivious to fact that he insults both your intelligence and that of every single serving member of the armed forces with his transparent lies.
Unlike DSM, the members of the military and their families are literate.
This means we can READ.
We can READ Congress' resolution authorizing force, in which they quoted many reasons for going to war, not just WMDs, among which was clear and convincing evidence that Saddam was financing, harboring, and training terrorists.
The resolution also mentions the presence of al Qaeda in Iraq BEFORE THE WAR. But DSM doesn't want you to remember that men like Sen. Rockafeller and John Kerry also made that argument on the Senate floor.
Imagine that...
We can also read the SSCI report and the British Butler report. Their conclusions are quite interesting - namely that NO ONE IN THE ADMINISTRATION LIED.
But DSM doesn't want you to know that either. Because he's an asshat.
Posted by: Cassandra at July 14, 2005 09:29 AM (eKdAq)
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Carlos:'It's impossible to honor even the fallen dead, as Leftists politicize even that.'
And you don't, Carlito? What is the purpose of this string?
Did you politicize 9-11?
Did we ram through the Patriot Act on the basis of politicization?
And on and on. You have only one eyeball, your right eyeball. Try facing backwards for a few seconds.
YBP:'And harrassing his grieving, misguided mother is not the prudent thing to do.'
The mother has her own political organization. She WANTS my support and YOURS!
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 09:36 AM (0PbLu)
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cassandra,
You seem to think that DSM and I are Democrats. We are not. We see the Republican and Democratic parties as a venomous two-headed serpentine organism.
We pissed and moaned when Clinton was president just as you did. But now, when Bush is president you betray yourself. Hypocracy thy name is cassandra and carlos, etc.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 09:42 AM (0PbLu)
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And you don't, Carlito? What is the purpose of this string?
greg,
no, I don't. And the purpose of this string is to honor the fallen dead. No further comments are necessary.
Posted by: Carlos at July 14, 2005 09:42 AM (8e/V4)
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Greg et al.: The soldier obviously choose the path of joining up and going to war rather than "Alter or to Abolish it, and to Institute New Government."
As for the mother wanting my support, she ain't gonna get it, because I think she's very wrong.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 09:43 AM (x+5JB)
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No further comments are necessary.
You don't control the commentary Carlos.
YBP:'Greg et al.: The soldier obviously choose the path of joining up and going to war rather than "Alter or to Abolish it, and to Institute New Government."
He expected that his government would not lie to him. They did.
I've grown weary of this subject, we're going around in circles now.
Let us honor the dead and the living. No more lies.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 09:48 AM (0PbLu)
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The you should STFU greg, because the lies are coming from you.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 14, 2005 10:03 AM (jPCiN)
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>>>"You don't control the commentary Carlos."
Yes, I do. You may continue to post, as I have now allowed you to do so.
Posted by: Carlos at July 14, 2005 10:04 AM (8e/V4)
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Hey Carlos, I think YBP sums up the problem when he honors the dead soldier by calling him a "dipshit". Nice, very nice.
Posted by: Max at July 14, 2005 10:08 AM (HFKAk)
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"To say her son was 'sucked into a war' doesn't show the man much respect. It makes it seem like he was some dipshit who was in the wrong war at the wrong time instead of a patriotic soldier fighting for his country's interests, whether its for oil, to oust Saddam, or to kill terrorists."
Max: Comprehension skills issues? Read the post again.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 10:29 AM (x+5JB)
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Ahem.....
Note the fact that people who may disagree with the President and Mr. Blair fight and die every day for all of us. This man deserves respect and Honor for that just like everyone else. I know some of you believe the entire war was built on lies. This brave man did his duty. See just like the other thread it's not so much about supporting the government it's about the people. Brits who may have disagreed with the current situation were murdered by terrorists. They do not distinguish between liberal and conservative or Libertarian, they see Kufar. I've not noticed the terrorist saying if we stop they will, in fact I am pretty much sure they will find another excuse to kill.
Maybe not lies but maybe a case of doing the best you can and being wrong on a couple points. This assumption that it has some evil motivation bothers me. I don't trust the government any farther than I can throw it but it's all we have and we are at war. Like it or not or how it started to support those on the left side who are fighting you have to support the man they work for. You disgrace their sacrafice for our right to voice dissent or agreement. Talking about lies and attacking the President does not get anyone home any faster. Not even those who agree with you but have chosen to do their duty. Also to expect total truth and openness from any government is infantile. Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other kinds of government.
Easy greg big fella.
Carlos: WTF?
angry: a crock of crap if I've ever read one.
My condolences to the Family of this man and my thanks for their sacrafice so that we can all make fools of ourselves.
Cassandra : Amen.
Posted by: Howie at July 14, 2005 10:46 AM (D3+20)
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My condolonces to the family of this brave man. His mother can say whatever the hell she wants during this horrible time for her.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 14, 2005 10:53 AM (jPCiN)
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Yeah, spelling isn't always my strong suit. PIMF.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 14, 2005 10:54 AM (jPCiN)
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You piece of shit leftards just need to be taken out and shot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:19 AM (0yYS2)
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I have read almost all the entries and comments made to this article and let me tell you I'm disgusted with how there are so many bleeding heart liberals people there truly are in the US. Why don't you get off these chat places and do your duty to your country and sign up and fight the cause. There is always going to be War in the world and unfortunately death is what comes with it. It truly doesnÂ’t matter why this war is being fought by the USA or any other country for that fact, whether it is based on "lies" or truths I would say a good portion of our military over there believes in the cause and the people back home need to shut up or put out. And yes this is coming from a proud Marine Corps wife whose hubby is due in the Sandbox in the next couple of months. Yes we do have children. When someone joins the military they do know that there is always a chance that they will die due to combat. I for one hold my head high and I still will if it's God's will to take my hubby's life while there. I'm so sick of hearing and reading all these blogs about Bush and any other persons that are responsible for this war. Just shut up and move on this is life in the world. Deal with it.
Posted by: Rebecca at July 14, 2005 11:46 AM (6W0U9)
Posted by: Rebecca at July 14, 2005 11:49 AM (6W0U9)
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One more thing that i forgot to add. I'm truly sorry for this woman's loss and for her child she is in my prayers
Posted by: Rebecca at July 14, 2005 11:50 AM (6W0U9)
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Hmmm. All Quiet on the Left Front.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 12:44 PM (x+5JB)
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I have to disagree with Greg and DSM, I do expect our government
to "always lie" to us. That is why I believe we should let them meet
as little as possible. We all know that lawyer's lie, and that most of
Congress are lawyers, lawyers = liars, Congress = lawyers, Congress =
liars.
As for anyone who "volunteers" to join the military, they gamble
with their lives when they do. As long as the CnC says go, then they have no choice but to go. So although I honor the sacrifice of the service member, I can not condemn Bush for it. But I also think, like that of Greg, that we do owe all service members, past, present and future, services and care from the VA.
As for those who are drafted, which has not been done for awhile,
they may have a claim against the government who drafts them.
the VA.
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Posted by: Butch at July 14, 2005 01:40 PM (Gqhi9)
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Ignore the "the VA. co" Did not see that sneak in.
Posted by: Butch at July 14, 2005 01:54 PM (Gqhi9)
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Greg, DSM, YBP,
I volunteered. 6 Years in the Marines to show for it and never regreted a moment. (Well except for the marriage). Nobody goes in expecting to die. But they did go in, unlike many, who still stand on the side, and cast dispersions. Respect the honored dead. It is the civilized thing to do.
Posted by: Kstumpf at July 14, 2005 08:59 PM (aJzE5)
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"Respect the honored dead. It is the civilized thing to do."
Kstumpf: Please quote me where I have done otherwise.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 15, 2005 06:48 AM (x+5JB)
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Kstumpf,
We may of not joined thinking we would die, but I know
that when I joined (once in the Army and once in the Marine Corps), that there was a chance I could die.
Posted by: Butch at July 15, 2005 07:33 AM (Gqhi9)
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All you asshats screaming "CHICKENHAWK, GO SERVE" need to immediately report to Baghdad as HUMAN SHIELDS since you're so "concerned" about Iraqis and our troops (allegedly). Maybe you can volunteer to jump on IED's or tackle suicide bombers to protect those you're so worried about.
Or hell, how 'bout volunteering to wear a bomb vest and go to the WH or Pentagon and prove how committed to the cause you are.
Any volunteers?
Posted by: disgruntledinca at July 15, 2005 09:12 AM (8DwXG)
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Such into war? Not knowing what was going on or what could happen. That would make a pitiful sodier at best. I always knew why I was there. My son knows why he is there. Honor, duty, morals. Shame some would go to war without knowing these values. Who failed to teach them? I taught my children.
When my children and many of the neighborhood children reached a certain age/time. I always spent some time with them. The were fixing to leeve boyhood and become men. So we sat down over a cold beer and discussed what every boy should know before he can become a man. They all understood, this like responsibility, protecting those less fortunate that you. The code of manhood thats says those THAT CAN MUST. Because those that can't can't. You know what you have inside and what you must to with it.
It guess some missed that speech. Pity. I always seen to it that many of the local boys didn't miss it. None of the local boys sidestep there duty to their family, communities and country. Some have died, some have been wounded rather bably. A bunch of blow hards from other places may have in there thoughts but they have never seen the honor and respect our returning soldiers get. After the parties are over a good job is assured and certain other things are majacially done.
You ACLu, liberal, America hating, Bush haters son of a bitches would'nt understand. Because you havent got it in you hearts. Never been here. Just a bunch of nerds behinds a keyboard.
Remember. The Gregs, Butches. Downing Street Morons on this blog are human trash. Losers all their lives and would like you to followe that loser cowardly pick up the pieces dialogue. They deserve death. As this Islamofacist terrorist cowartly thing continues more and more patriots will call for their deaths. We will take care of them. Much sooner than anyone believes. It is up to you young men to do what real Americans have been doing for centuries. Kicking ass for America. Go do your job with pride. We got your back. This time for sure. I know this America boys always do well.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 18, 2005 11:36 PM (CBNGy)
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Downing Street Moron:
Gotcha: Candyass
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Sources of Homicidal Angst: The "Sodatic Zone" (Updated)
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OK, so who didn't fall in love with the Parminder Nagra character in Bend it Like Beckham? (If you didn't you're feakin' gay, man.) She's now a regular on ER, by the way. I know she's precisely the sort of tomboy that used to get my heart thumping when I was a ne'r-do-well kid in HS and College. (I mean, girly girls are "OK," but give me a girl who can kick a football or run a 100 meter dash any time.)
So having become susceptible to English Pakistani culture through such a sympathetic portrayal it's not all that comforting to see cute Jess's extended family as the perpetrators of the recent London bombings. [Note: Jess's family were Sikh rather than Muslim, as a reader embarassingly points out. See updates below for thoughts on how this changes the thesis.] And I imagine it's no easier for my UK brethren, who must have been similarly enthralled. I do not think that Islam is, by definition, a pathological religion. But I think some elements of Islamic culture might be pathological, and there is a "dirtly little secret" that is rarely discussed, except by an old friend of mine on a new blog called Jefferson State. An excerpt that's liable to ellicit a fatwa [with commentary]:
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The Truth You Will Not Hear from the LL and the MSM
This is the truth you will not hear anytime soon from the LL and MSM. They're too busy churning the water like sharks in a feeding freenzy on a chum line re the Rove Affair - a much ado about nothing while the world is at war.
See these posts and follow the links for more things you won't here from the LL and the MSM. There are great posts at Normblog, The Daily Demarch, and other enligthened thoughts coming from the UK.
There is no need for apologists here:
Link here
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 14, 2005 12:10 AM (0XTbN)
Posted by: Oyster at July 14, 2005 05:38 AM (YudAC)
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One slight problem, Rusty. The Indian (not Pakistani) family in Bend it Like Beckham are Sikhs not Muslims. Other than that...
Posted by: Alf at July 14, 2005 07:53 AM (Zwsx5)
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I have never thought of the behavior towards women in the Middle East as putting them on a pedistal. It seems to me, they put them in a dark room, and serve only to perpetuate the race, and cook. I have also heard for quite a while, befor 9/11 that Arab men are into buggary, and rape young men and boys.
Posted by: Kstumpf at July 14, 2005 09:23 AM (GImrl)
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Pederasty is common in the Arab world, and is well documented. Why do you think muslim men are so screwed up? Most of them get used like women up until they can fight back. It's no wonder they hate everyone.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:22 AM (0yYS2)
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Hmmm, after making the last post, it came to me that DSM and greg also hate everyone...
Bite pillows much when young, fellows? Cry much at night?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:29 AM (0yYS2)
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Thx Oyster.
Sorry gang. I guess my hard coding on the fly missed some HTML somewhere. Anway here's the complete URL to this post at Roger L. Simon's and you can follow the links from there.
http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/07/the_big_filter.php#c58908
Hot Link I Hope
Here's a little humor for your afternoon. A weapon against Islamofascist suicidal bombers:
Here's the URL in case I screw up again:
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/007174.php#c39
Hot Link
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 14, 2005 03:33 PM (6Aikz)
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Kstumpf,
You forgot about the mine clearing duty during times of war that
the Middle Eastern women perform.
Posted by: Butch at July 14, 2005 04:17 PM (Gqhi9)
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YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG U FUKING DICKHEAD
HOW DARE U TALK ABOUT MY RELIGION LIKE THAT,
YOU LOT ARE ALL STEREOTYPE'S.
THERE ARE BILLIONS OF MUSLIMS AND MOST OF THEM ARE NOT ARAB, BUT OTHER ORGIN (E.G PAKISTANI, INDIAN, MALAYSIAN, AFRICAN AND OTHERS) SO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT UNLESS YOU KNOW WAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT
Posted by: kafil shah at July 17, 2005 04:21 AM (rZgoc)
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I HAVE A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION FOR YOU......
APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE MUSLIMS KILLED WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS?
OK,
NOW HOW MANY PEOPLE AMERICANS, JEWS AND ALL NON MUSLIM PEOPLE KILLED?
OK,
WHEN TSUNAMI HAPPENED APPROX 300000 PEOPLE LOST THERE LIVES, IT WAS A VERY BIG THING BUT, 9/11 2000 DIED AND IT WAS LIKE THE BIGGEST FUKING FING EVER
AND WAT ABOUT AFRICA?
YOU ARE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE MUSLIMS ANGRY.
AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE STEREOTYPICAL BECAUSE NOT ALL MUSLIM ARE WHAT YOU TTHINK THEY ARE.
THERE ARE AROUND 1 BILLION MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD AND IN MY TRUE OPINION I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY AN EXTREMELY SMALL MINORITY WHO ARE WHAT YOU SAY THEY ARE. (SO YEAH YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT MUSLIMS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT)
AND I FOR ONE CONDEMN AND HATE TERRORISM, THE PEOPLE OR THE 'MUSLIMS' DO THIS ARE COMPLETELY WRONG AND CANNOT BE EVEN CALLED MUSLIM BY US. WE GOOD MUSLIMS ABSOLUTELY THINK THIS IS WRONG, BUT YOU PEOPLE MAKE US DOWN WITH YOUR WRONG VEIW TOWARDS US.
SORRY IF I SWORE AT YOU
I WAS JUST A BIT ANGRY (SORRY)
Posted by: KAFIL SHAH at July 17, 2005 04:29 AM (rZgoc)
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Islam is a moronic and medieval cult. The barbarians who routinely murder innocent women and children (especially their own muslims) and who cut off innocent peoples heads often chant Allah Akhbar (God is great) while doing this.
It should be obvious that there is no properly organised condemnation of this type of barbarism from the muslim hierarchy. The morons who do these acts believe that they are doing them for "Islam".
Islam is not a religion, but rather a barbarous and blood soaked primitive cult. Its main premise is stupidity of the most violent kind.
Posted by: The Enlightened One at July 31, 2005 07:45 AM (Sj/oH)
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Actually, much as I hate to admit it, youre right.
Posted by: Allah at August 08, 2005 06:44 AM (Sj/oH)
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Remembering Fallen Heroes
My grandfather, a Marine killed in the Pacific theatre during WWII, is buried in the Punchbowl.
He and his fallen brothers are joined by five heroes of the Afghanistan campaign. I am thankful for their sacrifice and proud of their service. God speed and rest in peace.
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Their deaths mean something. The quote 'every man dies, not every man truly lives' comes to mind when I think of the fallen dead.
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 09:57 PM (8e/V4)
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Better it is to dare mighty things, than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits who know neither victory nor defeat.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 10:59 PM (0yYS2)
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Semper Fidelis encapsulates what we all think ...
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at July 13, 2005 11:54 PM (oldnN)
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Does this include all the Iraqis who got killed from the PACKS OF LIES that Bush told?
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 05:49 AM (ScqM8)
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My Grandfather was shot in the neck in WWII, but survived. His brother, my Great Uncle Percy Stevens, died in the Battle of the Bulge. My g-g-g-g-great grandfather, Josiah Hatcher Baugh, was wounded in the thigh in the Battle of Cowpens in the Revolutionary War. He never had the bullet (musket ball?) removed and died in later years. Two other ancestors were instrumental in capturing two miscreants who ran amok killing people and robbing them immediately after the Civil War and hung them in Mississippi.
We have many interesting ancestors.
Posted by: Oyster at July 14, 2005 05:55 AM (YudAC)
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War kills and is good for NOTHING
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 08:58 AM (ScqM8)
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"War kills and is good for NOTHING"
Well, it's good for KILLING.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 09:16 AM (x+5JB)
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Words kill as well. I have some Yin for your Yang DSM, If you continue to grind your blade,on the stone of hatred, the edge will be come a dull as your wit. War stopped Hitler, Saddam, Idi Amin, Musolini, Tojo, The Ottoman Turks, The Mongols, Huns, and even Moslems. The fear of losing war halted the spread of Communism, and Keeps China in check. It also ended the genocide in the Balkans. In fact, it is the threat of the horrors of war that enable people to consider peace before war.
Posted by: Kstumpf at July 14, 2005 09:38 AM (GImrl)
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DSM is a childish git who adds nothing. Isn't it way past time to ban his ass? This is the 2nd 'memorial' thread I have seen him pissing on today.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 14, 2005 10:10 AM (jPCiN)
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Rusty,
I'm all for freedom of speech, as you know, but may I suggest a policy of banning people who shit in memorial threads like DSM and greg are doing.
Posted by: Carlos at July 14, 2005 10:17 AM (8e/V4)
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No one is pissing on memorial threads. How dare you suggest so.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 11:14 AM (Y6Yy8)
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Carlos:"I'm all for freedom of speech, as you know, but may I suggest a policy of banning people who shit in memorial threads like DSM and greg are doing."
How did I dishonor the dead? By quoting a grieving mother who lost her son?
My hope is that we can reduce the number of war dead to zero. In so doing, I honor our soldiers and humanity. You disappoint me today Carlos. You've gone rabid on me. It must be the Texas sun. Have a drink. I'm stinking drunk on vodka. Let me fill your glass so we can drink to better times.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 11:24 AM (Y6Yy8)
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Perhaps it's none of my business because this isn't my blog, but I too have to wonder why one who blatantly demands reasoning and respect while they insult you and shit on your carpet doesn't get banned. Just an observation. No offense, but I honestly have enjoyed most of the time I've visited here and wish to thank you for your hospitality. Yet, I'm thinking of going elsewhere for "reasoned" discourse even if it's dissenting.
This has really gotten out of hand and way too much time is wasted countering Greg's and DSM's constant badgering and inanities that escalate into disgusting insults about mothers and sisters. I get a little peeved at a couple other people here and wish they'd tone down their talk a bit, but at least they're simply giving an opinion, not spreading known lies, wild conspiracies and blatant disrespect for just about everyone.
Posted by: Oyster at July 14, 2005 11:36 AM (fl6E1)
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Lostrova(?), Chin Chin, Salute, Down the Hatch, Here's Mud in Your Eye, One for the Road, I'm Even, Let's Get Odd, Roll Another One, etc.!
"Can't we all get along", The Prophet, Rodney King.
Gluteus, I'm going to kick your dainty ass, from here to Dallas.
How do you find the pussy on the morbidly obese Gluteus Maximus? Roll him in flour and look for the wet spot.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 11:42 AM (Y6Yy8)
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When I was banned, Rusty posted on the subject of Muslims bleeding sheep by slitting their throats while they were still alive. Oyster replied, 'I think I'm getting sick'.
Having run cattle for many years in Texas, I went to Oyster's blog and made an innocent post, declaring him to be a 'city slicker' and explaining that when cattle are butchered, they are knocked out with a pneumatic piston, raised up by their hind quarters aND their throats are slit so they can be blead while their hearts still beat. Any farm boy knows this, just ask Howie, he'll tell you. It's the same thing for pigs.
Oyster freaked out, claiming I was 'polluting' his web site. He clearly over reacted. I think he's a Vegan. Pay him no mind.
Oyster, if you don't like my posts, don't read them. Have a stiff drink and chill out.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 11:53 AM (Y6Yy8)
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"My hope is that we can reduce the number of war dead to zero."
In times of war, this would be difficult indeed. I would say that your goal is to have this war called a mistake and cease to be (along with Bush).
BTW, olive or onion in that martini?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 12:26 PM (x+5JB)
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greg,
you don't show up at a funeral and start ranting to everybody how the guy died for nothing and how he was just a big dupe. You would be kicked out on your ass-- jst as you should on a thread to commerate the fallen dead.
Posted by: Carlos at July 14, 2005 12:35 PM (8e/V4)
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Greg maybe boozing and blogging don't mix well. Greg can at times be reasoned with and has been banned before. Many of you fall for his bait and try to argue with him and then well it all goes to crap. For sure if he gets too ornery he will loose my support as well but as a long standing character here I've cut him some slack. I've stuck my neck out for him twice now and so has YBP. I think he has very little slack left. If greg chooses to get himself banned again his mission will suffer because he will have no place to express it. I don't disagree with you Carlos on this one just took me a few tries to see where y'all had went. Now angry there is no reasoning with him even if you are nice but he demonstrates his foolishness well enough on his own without the rest of us having to point that out. If you see comments that are "over the line" and deserve to be taken down email me or Rusty. Carlos the only thing that has been bothering me about you is the R rated spelled out profanity. Others take the time to put it in code. Greg has been and always will be greg. To argue with him is just not going to work. Also for angry I would hate to go through my whole life angry. Got to suck to be you. You will never change a single mind with that drivel you post. Entertain maybe but actually accomplish anything no.
So far today some strong comments. Some stupid ones. Some may have been a bit off for the thread they were on. Pretty normal. greg is worrying the heck out of me I sense he lacks inhibition today. Please greg put down the booze or the keyboard one or the other.
And yes butchering is gross that is why I avoid it at all costs if I can but greg has the process pretty much down. Don't foget to tie off the rectum before you gut the whole deal carefully. Yuck good eatin but hard work. You tend to appreciate a cow or pig more while eating if you knew it and cared for it killed it and butchered it. Ours are like big ass pets until freezer time. Greg has been warned I hope he gets it but it's up to him. We have all bent over backwards for him. If he chooses to disrespect our hospitality and continue I'm sure Rusty will pull out that banning sabre.
Posted by: Howie at July 14, 2005 02:14 PM (D3+20)
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dude, if the blog moderators, or even fellow bloggers are bothered by profanity I have no problems whatsoever with that. I'm not emotionally attachment to my potty mouth. I'll spell it in code.
Re commerative threads, it's my opinion that they should be politics-free zones, like funerals. If we Americans can't agree even on that then I truly weep for this country.
Posted by: Carlos at July 14, 2005 03:19 PM (8e/V4)
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Carlos--Not quite sure which comments Howie was referring to. I don't think that you were the one who wanted to roll IM in flour, were you???
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 03:28 PM (x+5JB)
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referring to me
IM:'You need your guts spilled, you subhuman scumbag.
Posted by Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 02:46 PM
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 04:13 PM (j6I6j)
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Referring to me
IM:'You piece of shit leftards just need to be taken out and shot.
Posted by Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:19 AM
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 04:16 PM (j6I6j)
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RUSTY YBP HOWIE OYSTER
Please see my 2 previous posts.
Given that IM threatens my life at least twice a day, maybe you can cut me some slack for wanting to "roll IM in flour".
Let's be fair please.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 04:21 PM (j6I6j)
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Greg,
How can you do this to me? I thought we were at least non
combatants towards each other. But now I see you want to start
polluting my home town.
greg: "Gluteus, I'm going to kick your dainty ass, from here to Dallas."
If you are going to kick his ass, have the decency to do it all the way up to Lubbock. It stinks up there already due to the slaughter
pens.
Posted by: Butch at July 14, 2005 04:34 PM (Gqhi9)
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Butch,
I can see why you would be offended. As we say about pollution, "Don't Mess with Texas". Is Oklahoma OK (no pun intended)?
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 04:39 PM (j6I6j)
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i just found this site a few days ago and wanted to see more of it until i posted. but i really can't think of much to add to any threads because, well, things seem to get slightly off topic. no, they usually don't even refer to the topic at all. but that's okay. i have to say that i kind of like how easy it is to push buttons just by a few sentences. i'm drawn to all the "greg drama." which is probably because my b/f's name also happens to be greg. so i tend to side with you (greg) at the end of your guys' arguments. so that's not really logical, but true all the same. and i see you may be in danger of getting the boot from this site, so i invite you and all your friends to come play at http://mostembarrassingmoment.com/forum/index.php. the site name may be misleading, or uninteresting for some, and i have to warn you that there are i think a large number of younger kids (10-??), but there is a forum on that website devoted to just "chit-chat." the chit-chat is usually more mature in content. But i think they need some more opinionated people on there to argue. so maybe i'll see you there...
Posted by: terra at July 14, 2005 06:09 PM (llDmc)
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just want to add that the site i listed has no educational value. news reports, found on this jawa site, are few and far between on the one i mentioned. i don't want to mislead anyone.
Posted by: terra at July 14, 2005 06:30 PM (llDmc)
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"the site i listed has no educational value."
Perfect for you Greg, exchanging ideas with lots of "younger kids (10-??)"!!!
She wants you, Greg.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 06:41 PM (zL3KD)
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My above post was done in jest. Although I disagree with Greg on the WOT, Bush, etc., I wish him health and happiness. And a change of opinion on the WOT, Bush, etc.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 07:03 PM (zL3KD)
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greg you on I want to show everyone a trick
Posted by: Hoiwie at July 14, 2005 07:07 PM (D3+20)
Posted by: Howie at July 14, 2005 07:10 PM (D3+20)
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I've been lurking for some time and don't post very often but I will say this, Greg, I rarely agree with you on ANYTHING but at least you have something more substantive to add then BUSH LIED, PEOPLE DIED or some variation thereof. (IMHO), However, DSM reminds me of the BUSH LIES ass clown, show up, throw up a variation of the same tired thought and move on. Fact of the matter is, you don't like Bush, you probably don't like conservatives, hell for all I know you hate puppies and kittens, but we got your point the first thousand times you said it.
What I'm saying is if you have a cogent point, please share it, you might change some minds or at least provoke a thoughtful discussion. Otherwise, it's just annoying and eventually turns into another barrage of back and forth insults. Though for sheer entertainment value, sometimes they're fun.
Posted by: disgruntledinca at July 14, 2005 08:32 PM (IpG/2)
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I'll tell you all a little secret about greg:
greg almost always always responds in kind to how he is treated with little exception. Treat him well and you'll get the same.
Posted by: Hoiwie at July 14, 2005 09:08 PM (D3+20)
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Howie: I think people should treat others as they want to. All the cards on the table. Honest, whether that means being rude or otherwise. If they step over the line, Rusty or you or another designee can step in, but I think all admonitions should be public, not private.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 15, 2005 06:45 AM (x+5JB)
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Greg,
OK is ok. I went to Army boot camp there and never liked
it since. And because it is hell, according to the song
"Never been to Spain", I feel it would be good.
Posted by: Butch at July 15, 2005 07:43 AM (Gqhi9)
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Greg's a lunatic and his politics aren't worth a dime, but he's gentle as a lamb if you don't flame him.
Posted by: Carlos at July 15, 2005 10:01 AM (8e/V4)
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Let it be known that Carlos is not a flamer.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 15, 2005 10:34 AM (x+5JB)
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A Modest Proposal to Congress:
End assylum for Islamsit exiles and make "religious worker" visas predicated on reciprocity of host nations
Today, there are two main sources foreign born Islamist radicalism in the West. The first are political exiles who take advantage of Western tolerance for dissent--even dissent which advocates overthrowing the very liberalism which has generously given them refuge. The second are imams (Muslim clerics) brought to the West to lead congregations of economic immigrants and who bring with them all the social baggage of their native societies--disgust for Western society, conspiracy theories, antisemetism, anti-secularism, and a belief that the ills of the Muslim world can be laid squarely at the feet of Western Imperialism, etc.
Ending both sources of radicalism only requires minor adjustment to present law and, in the end, could prove instrumental in preventing further 7/7 type attacks.
Tony Blair today asserted that he would deport radical Muslim clerics from Britain. A bold move from a country which has historically tolerated the purveyors of hate. It should be remembered that it was from England that an exiled Karl Marx was free to give words to an ideology that would eventually kill tens of millions of people. He fled the corrupt and authoritarian Prussian state to find refuge in the Progressive British one--and then promptly advocated overthrowing both.
For too long those that promote evil ideologies have sought refuge in the pluralism and tolerance of the West. While the term 'political refugee' conjures up images of brave reformers persecuted by totalitarian regimes because of their love of Western style liberalism, the truth is that many refugees are forced into exile because they advocate replacing the current totalitarian regime of a given country with a new form of totalitarianism.
Such is the case with radical Islamists from all over the Middle East who are persecuted for their advocacy of replacing the corrupt secularism, militarism, Arab socialism of present regimes with far worse governments patterned after Afghanistan's Taliban or The Islamic Republic of Iran. Many of these exiles find refuge in the West and under present legal standards they certainly meet every definition of political refugee. In the West these radical purveyors of hate ideology find the resources to give voice to their totalitarian visions.
For instance, Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammed was forced to flea his native Syria and found refuge in Great Britain because of his association with the Muslim Brotherhood and his support for replacing the secular Baathist regime in Syria with a religious one. According to this Los Angeles Times article, thousands of these refugees blend in with the large Muslim community of England's working class neighborhoods--the vast majority of whom came seeking economic opportunity. Among the immigrant community, these radical refugees find sympathetic ears, raise money, propagandize, and serve as intermediaries to the world-wide Salafist jihadi network.
It is time for Western countries to stop granting political assylum to those that wish only to destroy us.
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Robert Pape has written a book following a study of suicide bombers from 1994-2005. The book is titled Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism.
Here are some of the studies conclusions:
* The data show that there is far less of a connection between suicide terrorism and religious fundamentalism than most people think
* What nearly all suicide terrorist attacks actually have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland
* Three general patterns in the data support these conclusions
1. First, nearly all suicide terrorist attacks - 301 of the 315 in the period I studied - took place as part of organized political or military campaigns
2. Second, democracies are uniquely vulnerable to suicide terrorists; America, France, India, Israel, Russia, Sri Lanka and Turkey have been the targets of almost every suicide attack of the past two decades
3. Third, suicide terrorist campaigns are directed toward a strategic objective: from Lebanon to Israel to Sri Lanka to Kashmir to Chechnya, the sponsors of every campaign - 18 organizations in all - are seeking to establish or maintain political self-determination
* Before Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982, there was no Hezbollah suicide terrorist campaign against Israel; indeed, Hezbollah came into existence only after this event.
* Before the Sri Lankan military began moving into the Tamil homelands of the island in 1987, the Tamil Tigers did not use suicide attacks
* Before the huge increase in Jewish settlers on the West Bank in the 1980's, Palestinian groups did not use suicide terrorism
* There had never been a documented suicide attack in Iraq until after the American invasion in 2003.
If these points are in fact a true reflection of why suicide terrorists do what they do then our administration's logic is flawed. The war is simply feeding the fire and perpetuating terrorism.You can read the rest of the story and reactions to it
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Posted by: Mountain Girl at July 13, 2005 05:55 PM (9rHYI)
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Pape is a jackass, that is what I think. His dependent variable is "SUICIDE" bombers. He looks at the wrong variable. We are not at war with "SUICIDE" bombers. I've read Pape in the American Thinker and think that even worse than Pape's conclusions are the inferences drawn by Buchanan.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 13, 2005 06:01 PM (JQjhA)
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While I think this might have some immediate impact of fundraising for overseas efforts, it would only be a short time before native born Muslims in the West would seek to "find their roots" and study in places like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. Then they would bring back their newfound "clarification" on the core values of Islam.
As you have pointed out before, there are incompatbilities between the Islamic system and the West. The Islamic school of thought that made great strides to incorporating liberal values have been shattered, both by authoritarian goverments in Islamic countries and through the deliberate efforts of Salafists who see these venerable old schools as illegitimate expressions of Islam.
Thus, the only forms of Islam with significant power are the ones that have a fairly fundmentalist bent. The Quran is generally not viewed as metaphor for most Muslims. It is the liternal word. Heck, not even the Catholc Church takes the Bible as the literal word of God.
But then again, maybe they want it more than we do.
Posted by: Bill Dautrive at July 13, 2005 06:17 PM (G95Uf)
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Suicide bombing is simply another means of delivering a terror weapon. It requires no sophisticated mechanisms, no timers, no coordination; just get on the bus and push the button. They do it because it is effective, and yes, religion plays a part, because the morons that do it are gullible losers who buy the whole 72 virgins story. The childish naiveté of some people simply boggles the mind.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 06:25 PM (0yYS2)
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"It is time for Western countries to stop granting political assylum to those that wish only to destroy us."
The governments dare not. It is time for members of the public to make life so untenable for Jihadists and their non-violent but inherently supportive co-religionists that they leave.
Wishes for da gummint to make it better are absurd.
Only when terrorist attacks drive the the kind of response Hindu Nationalists give to Indian Jihadists will they see the light.
Posted by: Hugh Jorgan at July 13, 2005 06:52 PM (u9usz)
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There is plenty of connection between suicide terrorism and fundamentalism, and there is no denying a myraid of other factors - not western infringement or imperialism - that have brought them to this extreme. I hear the argument too that poverty breeds terrorism. I think terrorism and fundamentalism breeds poverty first. It just ends up in a viscious cyle from there. One needs only to examine the Palestinians for affirmation.
Once a person is denied all of life's little pleasures and told all their life that it's someone elses fault and made to fear reprisal by their God or others for any infractions and to embrace death to deliver them from these perceived injustices, they can be driven to any extreme. And to make it worse, in direct conflict of it all, they're taught their superiority simply by virtue of their birth. It must be difficult to wrap one's brain around these contradictions.
The suicide bomber is not born as such. They are cultivated. Used as pawns for the agenda of others.
Where Bill Dautrive is correct is that even if they only learn the basics of Islam in a western country, it prepares them for an easy indoctrination into radicalism when they go to any of the Middle East countries where the rate of poverty is highest and taboos and restrictive behavior is strongest.
But, I still like Rusty's ideas. It's a start. And a well written piece too.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 07:38 PM (YudAC)
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I SAY: If they won't stop teaching and preaching hate and genocide in these madrassas in Pakistan (and everywhere else - including the disputed territories and Saudi Arabia) - and if they don't stop churning out suicidal/genocidal murdering maniacs - then we should bomb the madrassas to smithereens!
It would be a defensive measure - like bombing V2 factories in WW2!
IOW: Jihadist madrassas and mosques : GWOT :: V2 factories : WW2.
And it's time to freeze the bank accounts of ALL so-called Islamic Charities which give ANY money to ANY madrassa ANYWHERE- until they figure out how to police the madrassas themselves!
IOW: NOT A SINGLE PENNY should be allowed to go to any madrassa - or mosque - which teaches or preaches genocidal hate.
That is: IF we are serious about defending ourselves and defeating the enemy, THEN we should crack down on the madrassas.
BUT, if we don't mind being butchered by these evil thugs - and don;t care if they mass-produce them in assembly-luines called madrassas and mosques, then by all means: let's just keep fighting them as we are - with our eyes closewd and our hands tied behind out back!
Posted by: reliapundit at July 13, 2005 08:28 PM (h2HXW)
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"Granting assylum to Islamists today reveals a suicidal tendency in Western Liberalism. Far worse than selling the rope, we are giving the rope away to those who openly tell us they wish to use it to hang us. It is a Greek tragedy being played out on a civilizational scale."
It's a dang fine proposal, Rusty.
Hope y'all don't mind this little bit of self-promotion:
And now we've got to choose our way of war.
The old wolf shakes the flimsy fence we built
In decades past, and tampers with the door;
And would the whole flock kill and feel no guilt.
But if we bar the Shepherd's staff
And breach the gate we built,
Oh, how he'll laugh,
As tooth and claw are given room to tear.
The smarter sheep will bleat "There's peace ahead,"
And silence any sheep who'd offer prayer
Lest we offend the wolf that wants us dead.
The old wolf and his sheepskin cult:
Their totems reek of dread,
And they exult
The more the wolf can rend and savage peace.
His growls have ever told us to submit,
And if his claws and teeth show tufts of fleece,
It only speaks our fate if we should quit.
The wolf is served by wan defense,
And sheep who bleat "Forfeit!"
And make no sense.
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Seems to fit the subject matter.
Posted by: ccwbass at July 13, 2005 08:40 PM (puMlL)
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I like Tony Blair more and more each day. The guys got guts and is one of the great leaders of modern times.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 09:43 PM (CBNGy)
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My analysis as a practicing political "scientist": there are no Hispandex or other ethnic votes to be gained by such measures, so they will not be considered.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at July 13, 2005 10:18 PM (oldnN)
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Blair and Bush are a bunch of losers who sold their souls.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 09:02 AM (ScqM8)
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"Blair and Bush are a bunch of losers who sold their souls."
Yeah, they both lost their last elections, right?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 09:18 AM (x+5JB)
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I don't necessarily disagree with Rusty's suggestion that Bush fire Carl Rove, but think the timing of firing him now, before there's any actual finding about what he did and primarily in response to the oversell of the scandal by the opposition, would be bad politics. Unlike many people, I haven't been especially impressed with Rove as a political consultant. I don't, for instance, think he did a very good job of managing the 2004 campaign. There's no reason that campaign ought to have even been close, and I think the blogosphere did the yoeman's work of countering the viciously biased drumbeat ofthe mainstream press and that ultimately led to a Bush victory. Rove had nothing to do with that, and if anything he made the task of the bloggers even more difficult. So strictly speaking Rove ought to have been fired ages ago. And the only reason I can think of that he'd still have the confidence of the President, is bad judgment.
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Demosophist: You are so right! I felt throughout the entire 2004 campaign that someone in this administration was doing a very sloppy job of answering to any and all allegations thrown out by the left. And still, to this day, the same sloppiness prevails. They even sat idly by while the 9/11 commission discounted and poo-pooed even the most concrete intelligence about Iraq. I keep wondering - Are they on a self-destruct mission, or what? Because the left hangs on every omission or inadequately answered question which gives them and the MSM a free pass to come up with all manner of screwy ideas. And we, as just bloggers and regular people are left trying to straighten these lefties out.
I understand that Bush is a man of few words. But that is to his, and our, detriment.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 04:01 PM (fl6E1)
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Fire him for what? Plame's husband was telling the media that Cheney sent him to Sudan, so when a reporter asked Rove about it he told the reporter than no, Plame in the CIA sent him to Sudan-- not Cheney. That was the big "outing". Big fucking deal. This is just another "scandal" in a long list of Democrat scandals.
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 04:01 PM (8e/V4)
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Dude,
Rove is an idiot. I kept thinking all through 2004, "How come there are no death penalty ads?" Being anti-death penalty is an automatic lose for a Pres candidate and yet most people thought Kerry was for it...
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 13, 2005 04:14 PM (JQjhA)
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There's no reason that campaign ought to have even been close, and I think the blogosphere did the yoeman's work of countering the viciously biased drumbeat ofthe mainstream press and that ultimately led to a Bush victory.
HAhahahahahahahhahahahahahahah-ick
That is just too rich. ROTFLMAO
Damn those liberuls at Fox
Posted by: Max at July 13, 2005 04:15 PM (HFKAk)
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Don't know... I think that firing Rove at this point wouldn't serve the administration. Yah, he might have sprung a leak, but Plame wasn't a covert operative at the time, so Rove appears to be within the law. But enough armchair lawyering by me.
The fact is, this fiasco is keeping the eye off of alleged prisoner abuse or the war in Iraq. They're all too busy foaming at the mouth over a non-event. I like to think of these liberals as rabid little kittens, following a laser pointer on the wall. Let Karl entertain them some more, I say.
Posted by: RomeoDelta at July 13, 2005 04:30 PM (AHaCg)
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Peanuts compared to when a SCOTUS nomination comes up. Pretty soon it'll be "Karl who?"
Posted by: Mad Dog Vinnie at July 13, 2005 04:48 PM (Kr6/f)
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Max apparently thinks that even one conservative news outlet amounts to an unfair advantage for the Republicans. Pretty much made my point.
Rusty:
Yeah, I forgot about the death penalty thing. I had decided by election day that the Bush campaign had been handled so badly that Kerry was actually going to win. Thank God the old Copperhead counties in Ohio reversed their historic position.
Carlos:
If Plame wasn't a covert agent at the time then why the investigation? Wouldn't one have to justify such an expenditure on the grounds that some crime was committed? And if there's no crime in the first place...
Honestly, there's a lot about this that I just don't understand, especially since all the administration had to do to discredit Wilson was to simply point out that his report implied the opposite of what he was yapping about. What really makes me angry is that the Democrats are so foolish about the way they run their political opposition that mistakes made by a Republican administration are never actually vetted. I mean, we had the choice between someone who was doing the right thing, but may not have been doing it very well, and someone who not only was incompetent but was apparently dedicated to doing precisely the
wrong thing.
How in the world are we ever going to get an effective critique of the current policy and its implementation under those conditions?
Q: "Do you want to be shot in the head or the foot?"
A: "Well neither, now that you mention it. But if it comes right down to it, I guess I can tolerate walking with a limp."
Posted by: Demosophist at July 13, 2005 05:58 PM (IbWE6)
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Ah, it is so refreshing to read someone who thinks Rove isn't such a genius. I think the 2004 campaign should have been won by 5-6 points easy. There was no push back on anything. The Bush campaign was so passive and Bush was so poorly prepared for the debates. I think Rove won't be missed, but I agree Bush should wait. It will just be more weakness.
Posted by: kate at July 13, 2005 07:07 PM (pKyrR)
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>>>"If Plame wasn't a covert agent at the time then why the investigation? Wouldn't one have to justify such an expenditure on the grounds that some crime was committed? And if there's no crime in the first place..."
Demo,
I don't know if she was a covert operative, and this is a complex case and I think few people know all the details, but my understanding is that it was an innocent mistake. Joe Wilson was claiming Cheney had sent him to Sudan (a lie), so when asked about it by a reporter Rove told the reporter that, no, Wilson's wife sent him, and that she's in the CIA. This doesn't seem like an attempt to purposely "out" Plame as revenge. Rove probably covered up his innocent mistake because he's such a target-- and in D.C. the coverup is what gets you screwed.
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Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 09:45 PM (8e/V4)
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Twenty children killed while getting candy for U.S. Soldiers.
52 killed and hundreds injured in Britain.
And the biggest thing on the moronic liberals minds is get Rove.
Assholes.
I could give a crap about any government employee, but some minds are truly warped if Rove should be the issue of the week when the slaughter continues. Friggin liberals need to get a life. Rove is small potatoes compared to the lives being lost.
Lost because liberal crybabies allow our troops to be picked off instead of stomping the shit out of the animals.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 09:51 PM (CBNGy)
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greyrooster>
I'm with you man.
This Rove-Plame thing is a freaking joke.
Lets' get back to the war and let our guys kick some ass.
If the Dems. want to impeach Pres.Bush let them try.
That's right they almost tried that with that stupid Iraq hearing,the one that turned into a Joooo bashing seminar.
On one hand I wish they would STFU,on the otherI hope they keep ii up.
2006 wil be fun to watch.
Posted by: xtremewing at July 14, 2005 02:01 AM (PuXAX)
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TODAYS LESSON: How To Say "Fuck Off" Diplomatically
MR. McCLELLAN: Again, we've been round and round on this for a couple of days now. I don't have anything to add to what I've said the previous two days.
Q That's a different question, and it's not round and round --
MR. McCLELLAN: You heard from the President earlier.
Q It has nothing to do with the investigation, Scott, and you know it.
MR. McCLELLAN: You heard from the President earlier today, and the President said he's not --
Q That's a dodge to my question. It has nothing to do with the investigation. Is it appropriate for a senior official to speak about a covert agent in any way, shape, or form without first finding out whether that person is working as a covert officer.
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, first of all, you're wrong. This is all relating to questions about an ongoing investigation, and I've been through this.
Q If I wanted to ask you about an ongoing investigation, I would ask you about the statute, and I'm not doing that.
MR. McCLELLAN: I think we've exhausted discussion on this the last couple of days.
Q You haven't even scratched the surface.
Q It hasn't started.
MR. McCLELLAN: I look forward to talking about it once the investigation is complete, as the President does, as well. And you heard from the President earlier today.
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Oops, "today's"
Beat you to it this time, YBP.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 09:01 AM (0PbLu)
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 09:02 AM (ScqM8)
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Bush will nominate a couple of Supremes and nobody will care about "Rove" anymore-- just like all the other Dem "scandals".
Posted by: Carlos at July 14, 2005 09:34 AM (8e/V4)
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"Rove is a traitor"
But if he's a traitor to Bush, that means you support him, right?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 09:46 AM (x+5JB)
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He's a traitor to the US, as is Bush.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 09:50 AM (0PbLu)
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>>>"He's a traitor to the US, as is Bush."
Then you should be their greatest fan.
Posted by: Carlos at July 14, 2005 10:02 AM (8e/V4)
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The left once again shows how much it cares for the institutions of the American people by deciding that there is no need for a) further investigation into the matter; b) the filing of actual charges should the situation warrant it; or c) a trial by a jury of ones peers. You see, these things, which we would absolutely demand for ourselves, are a mere inconvenience when compared to the possibility of 'getting' Karl Rove or the Bush administration.
What's worse is that they don't think the American people will remember this when the next elections come around.
The thing that really pisses them off is that the prosecutor has stated already that it does not appear any crime, except perhaps perjury (by who he does not say), has been committed. Not that you would know that given the fact that the MSM doesn't like to bring up that fact while it desperately tries to relive it's glory days of Watergate.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 14, 2005 10:24 AM (jPCiN)
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McClellan, in Third Day of Stonewalling, Tells Press They Have Taken a Pound of His Flesh
By E&P Staff
Published: July 13, 2005 4:00 PM ET
NEW YORK In a third day of fencing with reporters at the daily briefing, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan continued to stonewall on questions surrounding Karl Rove and the Plame case, but admitted. “It may not look like it, but there's a little flesh that's been taken out of me the past few days.”
I hope it was his genitalia, but then he would still owe 360 grams to make an even pound. At least that's the talk around the water fountain.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 11:11 AM (Y6Yy8)
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Greg hopes guys lose their balls so they can be like him.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:26 AM (0yYS2)
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Gluteus,
You're a unick and piss through a quill, so that you can guard the king's harem without suspicion.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 12:08 PM (Y6Yy8)
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Greg: You ARE drunk!(Eunuch.)
Time for confession again.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 12:30 PM (x+5JB)
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I just HAD to share this comic involving Rove:
http://villagevoice.com/news/0528,tomorrow,65773,6.html
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Osama! The Village Voice!
And we had such hopes...
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 01:34 PM (x+5JB)
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Yeah yeah, but did you actually read the comic? It should be damn funny regardless of your political leanings. I've been busy as hell around here, so I haven't been around to rant, debate or offend. Did I miss anything? Did Greg reveal that he's Jewish? Did you defy the Pope by reading Harry Potter books? Did Rusty reveal that he is in fact Rove? Hmmm...
Posted by: osamabeenthere at July 14, 2005 02:17 PM (1zM97)
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Forgot to say: YBP: I wouldn't be a New Yorker if I didn't read the funnies in the VV.
Posted by: osamabeenthere at July 14, 2005 02:31 PM (1zM97)
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I, Filthy Allah, Call on anyone, to smack the piss out of that Douche bag Former Ambassador Wilson.
The guy outed his own wife. What an ass.
Posted by: Filthy ALLAH at July 14, 2005 02:58 PM (yBHNA)
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Filthy: I agree if Wilson could have kept his mouth shut Time would have never been looking into it. Rove would have never issued the warning. I suspect her motives as well. I find it interesting that time chose to pursue this issue and not performance of Wilson and his Wife who might have conspired to make the trip and manufacture this whole distraction from the real issues. No wonder they found nothing everyone and his brother knew she was a spook.
Posted by: Howie at July 14, 2005 03:13 PM (D3+20)
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The VP did not send this ass monkey wilson on any trip as the ass monkey wilson claimed. Wilson never wrote up a report, never issued a report and on top of it, has a fab history of drinking way too much and making himself out to be quite an important fellow.
All Wilson is doing is covering up for his own lies and mistakes. What an asshole.
Dear Lord: Please send a blood clot to this POS Wilson and turn him into a tard. Then, while he is in the hospital, please send a young but hairy janitor to his room and have the janitor ass rape this former Ambassador.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at July 14, 2005 03:41 PM (yBHNA)
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Osama: I will check out the comic.
And I would never defy the Pope.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 06:35 PM (zL3KD)
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YBP, you gotta. It's damn good. FILTHY! Never send a young janitor to do a chimp's job. Anyway, what is all the fuss about with Wilson? We all know whistle blowers get the shaft. I doubt he lied at all...why would he? You think he was that eager to get smeared? Come on guys...
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I doubt he lied at all...why would he? You think he was that eager to get smeared? Come on guys...
Simply put, every time he opened his yap it was to complain that "his conclusion, after peronally investigating the Niger situation" was that "there was no evidence that implied that they intended to sell uranium to the Iraqis.
His report, on the other hand, indicates something quite different. From
Pejmanesque:
In other words, while the
Post story states that Wilson's findings buttressed the belief that Iraq sought to find uranium, even if we take Marshall's finding that Iraq was never mentioned in the report by Wilson and that Iran was mentioned instead, we still have the British to verify through an independent inquiry that Iraq did indeed try to buy uranium. Wilson may not have reported as much, contra Schmidt's story. But at the very least, he appears to have completely missed the story that the Butler inquiry in Britain found, and that British intelligence has stuck with from the outset.
Maybe if Wilson didn't spend so much time drinking sweet mint tea, he would have found out that information as well. In any event, he is either incompetent, per the Butler report's findings, or a liar per Schmidt's. Either scenario appears to vindicate the finding that Iraq sought uranium from Niger, and validation regarding America's casus belli insofar as the Niger/uranium issue is concerned.
In other words, at the very least the text of Wilson's report found that there was evidence that Iran had sought to buy uranium from Niger, which suggests that they were suppliers of such material. If the country mentioned in the report was, in fact, Iran rather than Iraq, then
Iraq wasn't mentioned at all. If it was his mission to find out Iraq's aspirations, why the deuce wouldn't he mention Iraq? Why would the report mention Iran, and simply make no mention of Iraq? And that's the most
Wilson-generous interpretation of the matter.
I haven't any clear idea of what's going on. If Wilson wrote a report that bolsters the notion that Niger was selling yellow-cake uranium to nations in the Gulf, why didn't the Bush administration simply mention this to bolster their case and discredit Wilson? There is something about this story that just doen't add up, no matter how many fingers you use to do the counting. It's not as though there's any interpretation that credits the possibility that Wilson was telling the truth either. I mean, we know he lied. What we don't know is why the Bush administration didn't "out" him. And I just have no explanation for that. None.
Posted by: Demosophist at July 14, 2005 08:53 PM (IbWE6)
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Osama: I checked it out!
They're maligning Lizzie, who was NEVER convicted! (Maybe she was a Republican?)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 15, 2005 06:39 AM (x+5JB)
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What do you think now that the NYTimes has exonerated Rove?
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/316
Not trying to pick at you in the least, but don't you feel like you surrendered to the MSM/Lib smear machine too early? One nice thing about riding it out is the backlash in their credibility when it goes to the end and they have so much egg on their face is it ends up being a boost for the right.
But you have to weather the storm to get the lift at the end.
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Stop Urging, Start Making
WaPo:
Syria Urged To End Islamic Jihad Support
WASHINGTON -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is insisting that
Syria end its support for Islamic Jihad, the Palestinian group believed
to be responsible for killing four Israelis Tuesday in a suicide
bombing.
That's about as likely as these:
N.O.W. Urged To End Radical Feminism Support
PeTA Urged To End Animal Rights Support
Greenpeace Urged To End Environmentalism Support
Dr. Rusty Shackleford Urged To End War On Terror Support
You get the picture.
And why are we urging Syria when we can make Syria?
Also posted at Vince Aut Morire.
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What about "Filthy Urged to Bathe Regularly"?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 03:30 PM (x+5JB)
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Wasn't Syria already
made by Iran?
Posted by: Editor at July 13, 2005 03:35 PM (adpJH)
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Lets add an "or else".....snicker..
Posted by: MIke at July 13, 2005 03:37 PM (fl6iN)
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I think the message would get through better if it were delivered by precision guided bombs, like Regan's memo to Kadaffi.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 03:50 PM (0yYS2)
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Israel urged to end it's existence.
Posted by: Gavriel Raanan at July 13, 2005 04:19 PM (HN8fV)
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It's like "urging" your sociopathic neighbor to stop shooting at your kids with a BB gun.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 04:37 PM (fl6E1)
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That's like urging the Left not to be traitorous scum.
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 05:05 PM (8e/V4)
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Again, Carlos, such urging is more effective if it causes massive trauma.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 06:20 PM (0yYS2)
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Bra urged to end rack support.
Posted by: Eric J at July 13, 2005 07:29 PM (5PRM2)
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Syria should be urged by 50,000 Marines with orders to take no prisoners.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 09:53 PM (CBNGy)
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Goddamned likudnikrooster needs to put his money where his mouth is, join the friggin mercs over there in iraq and charge full tilt into syria.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 09:04 AM (ScqM8)
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So you think that the only choices are being a)Socialist b)Islamist or c) a soldier, Mr. Memo?
Now I see why Britain is rapidly becoming a failed society.
Posted by: Not_Anonymous at July 14, 2005 10:09 AM (OdaXS)
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You got it NA, to them, surrender is the first, last, and only option, and if anyone doesn't like it, then they can fight for the leftards' freedom.
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A White Teenage Terrorist
Leftards always cry
racism whenever we point out the fact that while not all Muslims are terrorists, almost every terrorist is a Muslim. As if Muslim was a
race. Just to please our leftard readers, I bring you
news of a lilly-white terrorist teenager. Better click the link to see the punchline.
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Dude, this is just an assinine post. It's like you're
trying to miss the point(s). Now stop, or I shall taunt you a second time.
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at July 13, 2005 02:39 PM (h9w01)
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This Little Dutch Boy needs to sentenced to sixty days in Filthy's tent.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 02:46 PM (x+5JB)
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To quote funnyman David Cross,
"Not all gay people have the gay voice...
but ONLY gay people have the gay voice.
Posted by: Cole from Conservatee at July 13, 2005 02:48 PM (yj4LY)
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The perfesser of Transgendered Afro-Asian Womyn's Studies again manages to say absolutely nothing. What's yer point perfesser?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 03:03 PM (0yYS2)
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Hey Cole, tell that to Mike Tyson.....
PS- never called ya racist, but it aint like this is the first white terrorist. Look at McFuckpants in OK and those nuts (who we never heard about in the liberal MSM) down in Texas with the poison gas and pipe bombs, etc.
Posted by: Max at July 13, 2005 04:57 PM (HFKAk)
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Max, considering that the average leftard supports terrorism, it's no great leap to think that some of them would be willing to give it a try. I don't care what their color is, I don't care where they're from, or what language they speak. I don't care about anything but the fact that they want to kill innocent people.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 06:39 PM (0yYS2)
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"Almost every terrorist is a muslim?" - So, what about the IRA? ETA? ... I could go on....
Posted by: Sue at July 13, 2005 07:05 PM (pRoov)
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IRA? ETA? Please - do go on, but this time come up with some that have been as active lately as the Muslims or pertain to the real discussion. I'm sure we could go back through history and name lots of non-Muslim terrorist groups. I don't recall hearing about a lot of IRA bombings of children lately (the last reference of any kind I can find is 2001 and before that, 1995 or 1996 depending on the reference), but at the very least, I would think it would be appropriate to use a little common sense here and realize that the discussion is really about the War on Terrorism which is about Muslim terrorists with few exceptions. Plus, both of your examples are of McVeigh-type terrorists in which their acts of terrorism are against their own country.
Lastly, you might want to re-read the part that says "_almost_ every terrorist is a Muslim." The IRA and ETA were the two big ones so anything else you come back with will only embarass you since the numbers of your two examples don't stand up to all the Muslim terrorists. And I'll leave you with one other difficult pill to chew on. Most of the U.S. citizens were horrified and condemned McVeigh. Most Britains/Irish did the same for the IRA. Ditto for the Spaniards and the ETA. We're not hearing a lot of condemnation from Muslims about their own back yard. So, your argument doesn't have much merit.
Posted by: slug at July 13, 2005 08:50 PM (k4H+R)
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Sue: They are not terrorists in America. How many Americans have been killed by IRA bombs? How many Americans killed by the ETA?
Not standing up for anyone who indescrimately kills to get his/her way. But its the fucking muslims assholes who have and are and plan to kill Americans. So you point is nothing to us.
In fact, what does your post mean anyway. Is it an attempt to make excuses for the Muslims. Like a child saying he took a cookie to, so I shouldn't be punished.
What is your point?
Why did you post what you did?
Are you making excuses for the muslim terrorists?
Please clue us in.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:02 PM (CBNGy)
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Greyrooster
I do not really ever disagree with you but How many americans have been killed by the IRA Let me put this to you as this is a touchy subject with myself How many Americans FUNDED the IRA to kill us and the IRA support ETA. Believe you me the IRA are still active and when it really comes down to it It is proof positive that TERRORISM really works as our Government are negotiating with them. I would assume that that would be reason the IRA havent commited acts of terrorism over there. They certainly support ETAs cause in Spain and that has nothing to do with them. So the point is that the Spanish may have suffered because of the IRA who next!
PHEW puffed out
Posted by: Sparky at July 14, 2005 05:55 AM (F1nba)
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Rooster's klan friends are domestic terrorists
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 09:05 AM (ScqM8)
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Regarding the IRA and ETA, while both groups are a pox on mankind, and both did kill indiscriminantly at one point in their history, both evolved to the point where they warned of their attacks beforehand and sought to minimize civilian casualties. Not that they are not still scumbags anyway.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 14, 2005 10:40 AM (jPCiN)
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So DSM, what's your fascination with rooster, when I'm the one who would like to see how long you could live with no skin? You're a chickenshit. You probably got beat up a lot in school, and used like a girl by the tough boys.
Posted by: Imrpobulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:32 AM (0yYS2)
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Who can forget the Oklahoma bombing? Now there's a real American terrorist! Nice David Cross quote above...he's very quotable, but whines too much for me. Mitch Headberg was my favorite till he decided to go out a-la-rockstar.
Posted by: osamabeenthere at July 14, 2005 02:20 PM (1zM97)
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Yes, no doubt McVeigh was an American terrorist. If you want to see the difference between this country and those that support terrorists you can start by asking Tim. You can't? Why is that again?
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 14, 2005 03:30 PM (jPCiN)
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Leftards don't forget your friend the unibomber, he bombed in the holy name of enviromentalism. So lets sing Kumbya.
Posted by: Andre at July 14, 2005 05:14 PM (mfvPa)
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Cross is wrong. I've known two guys who sounded VERY gay but were not. I hope.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 06:32 PM (zL3KD)
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Come on, Timmy just wanted to grow lots of plants at that building...he just forgot to smoke a ciggy outside. That shit was twisted for sure...I wonder if he and IM ever crossed paths being in the same war and all. IM? Anyway, Uni-baller was a nut. Blame Montana. He did get shit across though....how many terrorists do you know who got a nice page in the NY Times? I know, all you guys probably think Uni-cycler was funded by all the NYC Jewish Media Secret Society folks, right? YBP: I dunno...In my whole life I've only met one guy who sounded and acted like a flaming fag and was straight as a steel yardstick. I'm betting you just hate Cross based on what he says about religion....if you think I'm harsh, he's the worst!
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Osama: I don't know Cross and don't want to, based on your comments.
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Rehnquist Hospitalized
Two SCOTUS nominations this year. Mark. My. Word.
Flap is following the details.
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I'd rather they hospitalize Darth Bader Ginsburg.
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 02:08 PM (8e/V4)
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Bold statement (this doesn't count as the second time).
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at July 13, 2005 02:40 PM (h9w01)
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Amen Carlos, but she isn't a young woman, though she does manage to keep her health by drinking the blood and bathing in the fat of unbaptised babies, so I've heard.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 02:58 PM (0yYS2)
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IM,
chin up.
Here NPR reports on the health of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Ginsburg's office says she went home from the hospital today, and is recovering from colon cancer surgery. The statement says the cancer was found not to have spread beyond her sigmoid colon. It also says the cancer was discovered when Justice Ginsburg sought treatment for an unrelated case of diverticulitis.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1064638
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 03:06 PM (8e/V4)
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If Bush gets to appoint three justices I will start going to church again. Hell, I'll convert to Judaism! No, wait, my wife wouldn't stand for me getting the old snip-snip. Okay, sorry, that's probably more than anyone wanted to know about me. I also go "commando". Okay, that was definitely over the line. But I like it. Free as a bird. Yep.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 03:54 PM (0yYS2)
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"If Bush gets to appoint three justices I will start going to church again."
IM: I'm going to hold you to this--but is there a mosque nearby???
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 04:10 PM (x+5JB)
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Time for him to go anyway. Don't understand why these judges wish to remain on the bench when they are so old they sleep and dripple on the desk.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:05 PM (CBNGy)
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Yes, there is a mosque nearby. Your point being...?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 11:49 PM (0yYS2)
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IM: Well, you didn't say WHICH church...
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 08:24 AM (x+5JB)
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I will only go into a mosque if I'm diagnosed with a terminal disease. After all, if ya gotta go, might as well make the news, eh?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:33 AM (0yYS2)
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Bad Backlash: Muslim Beaten to Death
Most of what Muslims call backlash is of the sticks and stones variety or things necessary to protect us from terrorism. This is not. This is very, very, very bad. Disgusting, if true.
Guardian:
A Muslim man has been beaten to death outside a corner shop by a gang of youths who shouted anti-Islamic abuse at him, the Guardian has learned.
Kamal Raza Butt, 48, from Pakistan, was visiting Britain to see friends and family. On Sunday afternoon he went to a shop in Nottingham to buy cigarettes and was first called "Taliban" by the youths and then set upon.
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I have my doubts about the story. Not necessarily that they didn't beat him, just about the details of the story.
Posted by: Editor at July 13, 2005 01:24 PM (adpJH)
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"I was speaking out against senseless violence. Burning mosques down and beating people up in the night seems like a criminal hoodlum acts and beneath any civilized government. Mosques? Close 'em down. If the Brits want to deport Moslems for security or safety reasons, it should be done in an orderly matter, using force only if necessary--kind of like, 'No offence, but your presence here is no longer wanted, and you are not safe. No hard feelings. See ya.' I'm talking about the non-violent chaps here--not the rabid terrorist supporters who denounce the very country in which they live. They can be sent on a small raft back to whence they came."
The above was my post from a few days ago. This incident, if true, just makes everyone look bad.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 01:42 PM (x+5JB)
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This is terrible. And who do I blame? The muslim community themselves. Organize a fucking march, you idiots. Show the radical islamists (and racist anglo-saxons) whose side you're on. Until you do that, you will be eyed with suspicion, and in some cases beaten. If there is a backlash it's your own damn fault cause till now we've heard only crickets chirping or qualified "condemnations" of terror.
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 01:42 PM (8e/V4)
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No offense, Carlos, but your post is akin to Muslims who say "9/11 was bad, but it's because of what Americans have been doing around the world." Basically, it's attempting to deflect the blame. Should the Muslim community march in protest of these jihadist scum who perpetrated these acts? Absolutely. But, it's not their fault that this guy was beaten to death. A crime is a crime.
Posted by: Venom at July 13, 2005 01:49 PM (dbxVM)
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No, Carlos. You sound like them. This man's killers are at fault.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 01:51 PM (fl6E1)
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I might sound like them, but I'm right and they're wrong. That's the difference.
And by saying I "sound like them", you are implicitly agreeing with me that they're doing something wrong-- which is my basic point.
We don't view muslims suspiciously because they're muslims, we view them suspiciously because we doubt their loyalties.
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 02:01 PM (8e/V4)
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"I might sound like them, but I'm right and they're wrong. That's the difference."
Haha, impeccable logic.
sigh.
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>>>""I might sound like them, but I'm right and they're wrong. That's the difference."
Venom,
it is impeccable logic. I'll deconstruct it for you if you like-- something that SOUNDS like another is not necessarily the other.
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 02:06 PM (8e/V4)
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Tragic and completely reprehensible. The idea that when A commits an act of evil against B, the best course of action is to take it out on C is part of the reason we are in this mess to begin with.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 13, 2005 02:13 PM (jPCiN)
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True, but something that SOUNDS like the other usually is the other. Taking that kind of attitude is the same kind of apologist bullshit we heard from some members of the Muslim community after 9/11 where we heard "Yeah, it's sad, but don't look at us to blame. It's America's fault that their cities were attacked."
It's really not that hard to understand: Terrorist scum were responsible for 9/11. Vigilante scum was responsible for this.
Posted by: Venom at July 13, 2005 02:14 PM (dbxVM)
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At least they didn't saw his head off and put it on the f-ing internet.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at July 13, 2005 02:19 PM (yBHNA)
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>>>"True, but something that SOUNDS like the other usually is the other."
That may be true, and I may even be wrong at times, but illogical? NEVER.
I will join the rest of the blog in condemning this senseless act. But it is clearly in the best interests of the muslim community to make their loyalties as clear as day in the next few weeks and months.
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 02:20 PM (8e/V4)
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Venom
If the man who was attacked had been spouting off about how the terrorist were justified, then your point is right on. However, by all accounts the man was in the wrong place at the wrong time and paid for that 'sin' with his life. There is no excuse for it, and those that did it should have to pay for it with their own lives as well.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 13, 2005 02:31 PM (jPCiN)
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Let the Brits sent these people away by law, but peacefully and humanely. "Right" doesn't need to resort to human vandalism.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 02:36 PM (x+5JB)
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DG,
Uh, isn't that the point I made? I think I stated that there was no justification for what was done.
Posted by: Venom at July 13, 2005 02:44 PM (dbxVM)
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Earlier this morning I saw this posted as an AP story. It might have pulled, as I could no longer find it to reference. It is hard to say whether this was done due to misinformation or ???
Posted by: RomeoDelta at July 13, 2005 02:45 PM (AHaCg)
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Perhaps, if you can, you should provide a video link to it, so we can see the enemy. Sheesh.
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at July 13, 2005 02:49 PM (h9w01)
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Wouldn't it be interesting to find out that this man in some way actually had ties to the bombers? Yes, yes... I know that Pakistan is a big country and all, but 3 of the identified bombers were from Pakistan, and this guy just happens to be visiting family during the time of the massacre?
I highly doubt there's a connection, but an interesting thought nonetheless.
Posted by: RomeoDelta at July 13, 2005 02:52 PM (AHaCg)
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As ye sow, also shall ye reap. The harvest is ready for gathering now, and muslims are finding they have planted fields of thorns. May they choke on them.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 03:02 PM (0yYS2)
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Jesus Christ,
Just because the guy was a Pakistani doesn't mean he had any ties to even Islam, let alone the bombers.
I went to two CofE schools in England, and it was full of Pakistani kids, so it doesn't even mean he was Muslim because he was from Pakistani. talk about ignorant.
Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 03:10 PM (fsJ2z)
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Dave,
Ignorance involves not realizing the probability that my idea is incorrect. I, on the other hand, CLEARLY stated that I found the possibility of a connection to be unlikely.
In my mind, it is you who are the ignorant one... as you either did not fully read, nor grasp the full concept within my comment. And, I'd prefer if you didn't address me as Jesus Christ in the future. I'm not fit to tie his sandals.
~RD
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actually in your mind, it sounds like all people with brown skin might be evil Muslims -- won't you be surprised.
Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 03:17 PM (fsJ2z)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 03:18 PM (x+5JB)
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Dave,
Now who is stereotyping whom? I think you'll find that you are barking up the wrong tree when it comes to accusing me of racism or religious bigotry. Want to try a different game? You'll likely come up empty there too, so I'd recommend you take YBP's advice and chill.
~RD
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stereotyping?
sorry, did the guy that wrote:
"this guy just happens to be visiting family during the time of the massacre?"
"Wouldn't it be interesting to find out that this man in some way actually had ties to the bombers?"
because the person beaten was from Pakistan just accuse me of sterotyping?
You' would have wrote the same thing right if he was White and from Berlin right?
Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 03:26 PM (fsJ2z)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/nottinghamshire/4680891.stm
Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 03:40 PM (fsJ2z)
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All right, kids. Don't make me come over there.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 03:44 PM (fl6E1)
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Dave,
I'm a card-carrying, flag waving, bleeding heart registered democrat liberal, and a friend of Romeo's. While we don't see eye to eye on all political issues, we both agree that the right to freely express opinions is a value we hold dear.
You might be interested to know that Romeo is not racist, nor is he lacking in intellect or communication skills. He is a well educated, eloquent and balanced individual--who also happened to work and live in the Middle East! So your accusations of racism are very off the mark.
I take his "what if" commentary as nothing more than that, a "what if", much like my current musing, "What if it was sunny and hot this weekend and I could spend extra time weeding my garden?"
Have a great day!
Cheers, happygardeningmama
Posted by: happygardeningmama at July 13, 2005 03:46 PM (AHaCg)
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This string delineates the Jawa Community along two clear lines. Those who have sympathy for the man who was murdered and those who find joy in his death. The latter lineage, are no better than the description they attribute to Islam, i.e., it is a fundementally flawed religion. Your attitude leaves no room for reconciliation, which is the only possible way to end this madness, short of the total annihillation of humanity.
I'm certain, that like the former lineage, there is a strong core with whom we can find common ground in the Islamic community.
This will be our salvation. The first step is to be more even handed in dealing with the Israeli/Palestinian situation. From this step will shine the beacon of peace.
Posted by: greg at July 13, 2005 03:48 PM (OiV6y)
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I'm sorry my comments must have been REALLY off the mark if he needed someone to come over here and tell me he's not a racist.
Feel free to apologize, I have nothing better to go by that his own words, you evidently know him better so let's just say he's not a racist if it makes everyone concerned "happy".
Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 03:54 PM (fsJ2z)
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Bullshit greg, you hate Jews and are always willing to believe it was them instead of muslims who murdered people. The only common ground that muslims have in mind for us is the grave, dhimmis like you included.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 04:08 PM (0yYS2)
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Be nice to greg you know what an effort it was for him to be so reasonable. Greg is right there is a perception that the US always goes with Israel and let's Palestine suffer. While me may scold Israel in private when they thumb their nose at us a public scolding or two might help dispell that perception. Example: some times the US works it's butt off trying to make a deal. There is a certain element in Israel that does not want peace just more expansion. Just Just about the time we get close to making progress boom they bulldoze a house or carry out an assisination at just the wrong moment. I don't often support Palestine since I watched them Cheering the WTC. But not to look a Israel with a critcal eye is not right either. Greg goes overboard with it in my opinion but that's greg's mission. We need to make the US wag Israel's dog not he other way around. While the war in Iraq seems to have taken a lot of the attention from this issue it stands to reason that until Palestine and Israel come to an agreement there will be problems. Maybe since the spotlight is off that issue right now they can quietly make some progress there. For sure there is plenty of guilt on both sides. I just don't think we should always support Israel no matter what. I think that bombing there the other day was the terrorist trying to get attention back. Maybe the war on terror is just the thing to get peace there. Unlikely but I think there is more hope now than in a long time. I put it at about 80/20 palestine/Israel but for sure Israel should rightfully get some of the blame. The concept of Israel looking our for Israel and not the US is not all that far fetched. We look out for them a lot more than they look out for us.
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Posted by: Sparky at July 13, 2005 04:45 PM (F1nba)
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Oh and I havent heard anything about this story over here. If its true then it is terrible but that could happen here to me walking down the street with my children. It could have nothing to do with reprisals and more to do wth the yob culture that is overrunning this country.
Posted by: Sparky at July 13, 2005 04:49 PM (F1nba)
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I fully agree with Rusty. The vigilante violence referred to only hurts the cause of reason. There's plenty of room for vigilance, but we really don't need any vigilantism right now.
I also agree with the commenters who denounce any blaming of the victim. We can all discuss positive steps the Muslim world could take at another time. I don't know who this Pakistani man was, but he probably didn't deserve to get beaten to death, and he certainly didn't deserve to get beaten to death simply because he was Pakistani.
This man's killing was wrong. Period.
The people responsible should be severely punished. Period.
Posted by: Eman at July 13, 2005 04:51 PM (c/4ax)
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Sparky:
personally, I wouldn't walk around in the Meadows in Nottingham either, but it wasn't a surprise to me to see reprisals of this nature occuring.
Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 04:57 PM (fsJ2z)
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A few more beatings and Muslims may be properly deterred from visiting!
He who does not take up arms against Jihadism is by default a Jihadist.
I am looking forward to more instances of Muslim homicide bombers waking up bovine Europeans who shrink from the Kulturkampf we must fight.
Posted by: Hugh Jorgan at July 13, 2005 04:59 PM (u9usz)
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I hate this freaking keyboard.
Posted by: Howie at July 13, 2005 05:03 PM (D3+20)
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Dave
Im not surprised either I may not agree that this is the best way forward but I would like to see the Muslim community coming forward and letting the authorities know of anyone who is spouting their hate in the mosques they are the only ones who can help us tackle the problems but will they? The sad state of affairs is that until people in this country see some movement in this direction this is the sort of stupidity we can expect.
Greg
Will we be seeing you eat a little humble pie in respect of your post that they were british,they were but they were british MUSLIMS
Posted by: Sparky at July 13, 2005 05:25 PM (F1nba)
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"The sad state of affairs is that because people in this country will see only trivial movement in this direction, this is the sort of inevitable, visceral response we can expect."
Fixed it for you.
Posted by: Hugh Jorgan at July 13, 2005 05:45 PM (u9usz)
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GREG
OOPS watch those crumbs your getting them all over the carpet!
Hugh
thank you I think
Posted by: Sparky at July 13, 2005 06:09 PM (F1nba)
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Until muslims come out in force to expose and eject from among them extremists, terrorists, and their supporters, they must all be considered enemies. When they start turning in the jihadis then they can expect safety, until then, they are all enemies.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 06:44 PM (0yYS2)
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IM:
http://www.blackfive.net/main/
They have pictures of Iraqi's that marched against terrorism on July 5th, next question -- Why haven't we heard about it from the press?
Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 09:40 PM (fsJ2z)
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A good place for Pakistanis is Pakistan. End of problems now and in the future. Let us face the truth. England screwed up by allowing too many ragheads into their country. Now they have a problem. This problem will grow and grow until the Brits realize that massive deportations is the only answer.
I will point out for the muslim excuse makers that the score this week in England is 52 dead and 300 wounded by the muslims and 1 dead (if true, which I doubt) by the English (Christians). And yet some seem to still make excuses for the muslims and critize Christians who have had enough.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:22 PM (CBNGy)
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Hi Sparky: Long time. I trust you and family are fine. I have a new grandson.
Posted by: Greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:24 PM (CBNGy)
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Muslims marching is one thing; it could easily be a massive damage control campaign, but I will believe there's a change when they start giving up names of terrorists is supporters. I would like to see islam change, but I'm not holding my breath, but rather spending more time at the range and the gym. Like the old Arab proverb goes: Trust Allah, but tie up your camel.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 11:54 PM (0yYS2)
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Greyrooster
CONGRATULATIONS I hope all are well. Does he look like his Grandad?
You have been MIA for a while is this why?
Posted by: Sparky at July 14, 2005 06:00 AM (F1nba)
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Sparky: "Greg, Will we be seeing you eat a little humble pie in respect of your post that they were british,they were but they were british MUSLIMS

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Sparky, next to apple pie ala mode, humble pie is my favorite.
Remember, these 4 are Suspects. I hear there is a video of the 4 meeting prior to disbursing and reportedly doing the bombing. I haven't watched much TV lately, so I may be wrong about this, but I haven't seen the video or even a still photo of the tetrad. Have you? I want 1st hand evidence, not a second hand account from Big Brother. Even if such a video exists, is it proof any wrong doing? Are any of the other points of evidence proof, or just circumstantial evidence? Was any of the evidence manufactured (see the next paragraph regarding the manufactured 9-11 story).
Cui bono? Blair, who was receiving great resistance in the pursuit of the passage of the new British anti-terrorism bill, will now have the bill sail through.
If the bombs were designed to be detonated remotely, why not do so?
It makes no sense to me. I can't imagine someone with an 8 month old baby killing himself when he could explode his bomb remotely. Apparently the man's own family had no idea that he was a 'terrorist', as they called the police to report him missing. You and others believe that these men are guilty, not because it's a slam dunk, but merely because you have been told that is the case.
I remember after 9-11, we were shown a picture that was reported to be Mohammed Atta entering the Portland, Oregon airport. I never saw pictures of the other 18 entering the airports of their final departure site. According to a BBC report , 4 of the hijackers are still alive, read it for yourself: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
and yet Big Brother never corrected himself. To this day, the FBI still lists the 4 live men as being among the 'terrorists'. Why? Do they think we are that stupid? Are we that stupid? I for one am not, despite, what others on this site might say about me.
I remain unconvinced.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 06:39 AM (rkHVU)
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"A British disaster recovery consultant working at the scene of the London 7/7 bombings tells British TV and radio how they occurred precisely at the times and places scheduled in a terrorism drill he was running.
July 13, 2005—The slip was showing On Her Majesty's Secret Service, broadcast on prime time TV for all Britain to see on the evening of 7/7—but almost no one noticed.
It happened on a special called Target London. Rescue workers on one half of the screen, and on the other, Peter Power, a British consultant, innocently giving the game away.
Can you see what's wrong with this picture?
Power: Today we were running an exercise for a company . . . 1,000 people involved in the whole organization—with the crisis team. And the most peculiar thing was, it was we based on a scenario of simultaneous attacks on a underground and mainline station. So we had to suddenly switch an exercise from fictional to real. . . .
Interviewer: Just to get this right, you were actually working today on an exercise that envisioned virtually this scenario?
Power: Almost precisely. [2]
Within the hour Mr. Power was on the radio, too:
Power: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.
Host: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?
Power: Precisely. [3]
You might need to be a paranoid 9/11 conspiracy theorist like me to understand what Mr. Power was saying, since as a normal person, he himself was surprised but not suspicious."
Just like on 9-11, the 'suicide bombers' operated under the cover of a drill. Were they part of the drill? Did they think they were carrying fake expolsives? Is this why they died despite carrying explosives that could be detonated remotely? Were they patsies in a psyop like Oswald? Under the cicumstances, these are valid questions.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 07:51 AM (0PbLu)
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Correction:
Atta was supposedly filmed in Portland,MAINE not Oregon, although it makes no difference.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 07:57 AM (0PbLu)
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Venom
You are of course right, and I should have read your post more closely. My apologies.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 14, 2005 10:46 AM (jPCiN)
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Greg remains unconvinced that muslims did this, but convinced that Jooooooos did it. He also remains a mouth-breathing moron who lives in his mom's basement.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:35 AM (0yYS2)
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No worries. I kinda figured you weren't referring to me.
Posted by: Venom at July 14, 2005 11:36 AM (dbxVM)
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Three London Suicide-Mass-Murderers Named (Muslims *shocked*)
The name of three of the four misunderstanderers of Islam, pieces of inhuman shit, and current bitches to Beelzibub himself have been released. [UPDATE 7/14---fourth suspect named, fifth man thought to be ex-North Carolina State graduate student and current instructor at Leeds University....scroll down for updates]
fourth unnamed suspect is presumed dead in the fiery explosion that killed dozens and sent the human-bomb straight to hell. A fifth man, presumable alive, is being sought by police. We will update this post as more information becomes available.
Be sure to scroll to end for updates.
Yes, it's people like these that make me hope that their is a) an afterlife b) justice in the afterlife. Thanks to Neil Doyle, British terrorism expert and author of Terror Tracker, for helping me find the names. Sources: Fox News here and here (with thanks to Tim at Opinion Bug for tip):
Shahzad Tanweer, Aldgate bomber.--a 22-year-old cricket-loving sports science graduate. His father, Mohammed Mumtaz Tanweer, was born in Pakistan and owns a fish and chip shop near their home on Colwyn Road. Shahzad Tanweer had lived in the Beeston area of Leeds his whole life.
Hasib Mir Hussain, Tavistock Square Bus Bomber-- 19. Hussain had lived with his Pakistani born parents in the Leeds suburb of Holbeck his whole life.
Mohammed Sidique Khan, Edgware Road Bomber.-- 30-year-old married father of an 8-month-old baby. Born in Pakistan but raised in Beeston. Moved to Lees Holm in Dewsbury about five months ago. Neighbors said he worked with disabled children while his wife was involved in education.
UPDATE: Lindsey Germaine, Jamaican-born, lived in Buckinghamshire.
Two other suspects may be the fourth bomber and the fifth conspirator from SMH Australia:
Rashid Facha-- in his 20s
Jacksey Fiaz-- 30
And how do friends and relatives describe the terrorist scumbags? It's always the same thing with these people. Our popular media likes to make extremists out to be fanatics in every aspect of their lives. The truth is that mass-murderering thugs like this tend to be quiet, mind their own business, and usually show no outward evidence of religious fanaticism. They are your typical good neighbors.
Fox:
Neighbors of Tanweer in Leeds' garbage-strewn rows of Victorian-era red brick houses were apprehensive and hostile, walking fast past reporters gathered at the cordons. One warehouse worker, who would only give his first name, Saj, said Tanweer was a "good lad" and an athlete.
"He was quiet," he said. "He was religious. He went to every mosque here. There are loads of mosques here."
Shocking that a religiously motivated criminal would, you know, attend religious services on a regular basis.
But I'm sure religion had nothing to do with this.
And how is the Pakistani community reacting to the fact that all of the human time bombs were from their community? Are they trying to root out the evil in their midsts in a comparable way to anti-Hitler Germans in America fought the German Bund?
"This is not good for Muslims," Iqbal said. "We have businesses here. There will be a backlash."
Yeah, I'd hate for the Pakistani community to lose business. Why, that's just as bad or worse than the murder of 52 people! Intolerant Brits.
Khalid Muneer, 28, a spokesman for the Hyde Park Mosque in Leeds, said the community was surprised by the raids and police claims that the bombers may have come from there.
"That connection would surprise us all, even shock the whole community. We still think it's too early to say," he told AP, adding that Muslims in the area were not opposed to Britain.
"I've seen no calls in this area for jihad against British or American forces. You will not get that sentiment expressed around this mosque."
Bullshit alert! Bullshit alert!! Bullshit meter now at maximum!!!
You don't need explicit calls for jihad when you believe in the exact same worldview as the jihadis. Your mosque preaches hatred for America and Britain, you claim Muslims are being murdered at the hands of the West, you claim a Zionist conspiracy controls the UK and is responsible for poor conditions in Muslim lands, you claim the the Anglo-American alliance is killing millions of Muslims, and that a real holocaust is being committed against your brothers around the world---yet, you say you want to change things peacefully?
If the Anglo-American alliance is committing such attrocities then it would be your duty to fight them with whatever means were necessary.
Only a fool and moral idiot would believe that fighing mass-murder on a genocidal scale should only be achieved through peaceful means.
But I'm sure it wasn't a religious worldview that blames the woes of the Islam on the West that had anything to do with this. A worldview which suggests that there ought to be a single Islamic nation ruled by Islamic law. A worldview which reinforces the notion that Muslims belong to the umma--the nation of Islam--and that their allegiance is to the umma and not the host nation-state. A worldview which splits the world into the dar al-Islam, the territories governed by those who have submitted to Allah, and the dar al-Harab, or the House of War--which by definition sets up a belief system in which Muslim lands are seen positively and non-Muslim lands are seen negatively. A worldview which cannot fathom without resorting to conspiracy theories the fact that the West is so powerful while Muslim nations are so weak, given the fact that the Quran explicitly predicts the eventual domination of the world by Islam.
Nope, the ideology that is Islam had nothing to do with it. I'm sure it was, like, poverty or something.
Leeds, about 185 miles north of London, has a population of about 715,000. About 15 percent of the residents are Muslim, and many come from a tight-knit Pakistani community, mostly from Mirpur, south of Islamabad in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir. Other pockets of the community are mostly Arab....
The three suspects appear to have come from a moderately affluent sect of British society. They reportedly rode in a rental car to London, toting military style backpacks. The fourth bomber remains unidentified, but is believed to be from the Luton area northwest of London.
More on Shehzad Tanweer from
news.com.au. Notice how he was such a nice sweet devout Muslim and also notice that he spent some time in Islamic Republic of Pakistan last year:
SHEHZAD Tanweer, Shazzy to his friends, was a cricket-loving sports science graduate whose father ran the local chip shop.
The Bradford-born 22-year-old who spoke with a broad West Yorkshire accent, boarded an eastbound Circle Line train from London's Kings Cross station a week ago, where he detonated a bomb, killing at least seven commuters...
If ever there was a family of model immigrants, it was the Tanweers. Originally from Pakistan, they had made a good life in Britain, running their Leeds fish and chip shop and living in a large detached house in the city's Beeston area, with two Mercedes cars parked outside.
They were a close-knit family of good Muslims, respected in a local multi-ethnic community of whites, Africans, east Europeans, Pakistanis and Bengalis.
Shehzad had a brother and two sisters, children of the proprietor of South Leeds Fishery, a familiar and respected figure in the Beeston community. The fish shop was open for business on Tuesday but there was no sign of its owner.
Mohamed Ansaar Riaz, 19, and Azzy Mohamed, 21, said their friend Shehzad was "the best lad you could ever meet".
They described how he had grown up in Beeston, studied sports science subjects at university and been a competent all-rounder for a local Asian cricket team. He last played only a fortnight ago.
"He was a sweet guy who gets on with everyone," Mr Riaz said. "He had a fantastic sense of humour and could make you laugh. He was also a very intelligent person. His family, like other Pakistanis, Bengalis and Iraqis around here, are 100 per cent devoted to the Koran.
"Shehzad never drank and I never heard him swear. The idea of him going down to London to explode a bomb is unbelievable; it is not in his nature to do something like that. He is the kind of guy who would always condemn extremism, like any good Muslim should. I have heard him many times in the past say such things."
Shehzad's uncle, Mohamed Azfal, said his nephew visited Pakistan last year. The family had come originally from Faisalabad.
And from a
BBC story. The emphasis of the story, of course, is how shocked the Muslim community is and how they fear backlash--but buried in it are some details of the hellbound pieces of shit:
Tanweer, whose family came to Leeds from Pakistan in 1961, had lived all his life among the back-to-back houses of Beeston, on hills overlooking Leeds United's Elland Road stadium.
Hussain attended the local Matthew Murray High School, now called South Leeds High School, and Khan only left Beeston five months ago to move to Dewsbury....
Ms Hussain said she had grown up with Tanweer and was his sister Tabsum's best friend.
"I couldn't imagine anyone in that family doing anything like this, it is really shocking.
"He [Shehzad Tanweer] used to pray five times a day, but what was he thinking?
"Nowhere does Islam tell you to go and kill yourself. It is the worst thing you can do."
Yeah, all those suicide bombers in Israel have been so roundly condemned by Muslims ....
oh, wait, maybe she meant it's the worst thing you can do except when killing J-O-Os? And of course there is the fact that many sources now say that at least some of the bombers were not trying to kill themselves, just others. I guess that would be, you know, ok.
Now check out this. I bet the 'mastermind' had a hooked nose, wore a little beanie, and used Arab blood when preparing the Passover matzoh.
She believes the suspected bombers must have been influenced by a mastermind outside the local community.
"There are three mosques that people go to round here and you would never hear anything like that there. I don't know anyone who thinks like that."
Her friend Uzma Rafiq, until recently a student in Leeds, said: "There must be somebody else behind this who has sent them down the wrong path."
Sigh.
UPDATE: Evan Kohlmann on an experience he had while visiting London.
When pressed on his point about Palestine, Faisal reiterated several times, "that's all occupied Muslim land. Every single part of it is Muslim land and it all has to be taken back by force... yes, the women have to be targeted... in Israel, we're going to target the women... if the children get killed, the Jewish children, [you can only] blame yourselves" for living on occupied land.
Perhaps what disturbed me the most about Faisal's desperate words was searching around the room and seeing dozens of eyes diligently trained on him--the eyes of young, impressionable Muslim kids. It is common in this modern era for Western youths (of all backgrounds) to worship popular rock stars or Hollywood actors and aspire to become them. Yet, for many years, the radical religious fringe has preached a consistent countermessage to young Muslims: "by virtue of your heritage alone, you are different from your peers and 'we love death as they love life.'" A minority of these youths have been raised to idolize Usama Bin Laden and Mohammed Atta in the same way that many Americans follow Johnny Depp and Bruce Springsteen. With disastrous "Muslim wars" ongoing in Iraq and Afghanistan, some of those brainwashed into following Al-Qaida now see a unique opportunity for themselves to step forward from obscurity and become famous, heroic "martyrs" of the Islamic nation, much like the 9/11 hijackers. Let noone be mistaken: the deluded suicide bombers responsible for the carnage on 7/7 are far from alone. The age of the "human cruise missile" is now fully upon us and it is likely only a matter of time before this problem crosses the Atlantic and reaches the shores of the American homeland.
UPDATE II: From a link I found from
QandO. File this under,
I told you so and
Rusty's theories are just so right on the money, yo.
LA Times:
But as they watched soldiers, police and journalists invade their streets Tuesday, other young neighbors seethed.
They defended Tanweer as a good man who would not have done such a thing. Some, however, came close to justifying violence in response to a perceived assault on Muslims worldwide.
"You see Palestinian kids getting killed on the street in your living room, maybe you're going to flip," said a young man who identified himself only as Shakur, 27. It is not a matter of Al Qaeda carrying out attacks, he said. "The people are doing it themselves."
And
James Joyner finds this little gem from one of the bastards parents as published in the
BBC. Yes, even terrorist scumbags have parents that love them. At least the parents didn't pull the typical Palestinian
Yeah, were glad our son blew himself and some Jews up rhetoric.
The uncle of one of the suspected London suicide bombers said his family had been "left shattered" by the news. Bashir Ahmed, 65, said the family of Shehzad Tanweer, who recently studied religion in Pakistan, could not accept he was capable of the bombings."It wasn't him. It must have been forces behind him," he said.
Confederate Yankee e-mails wondering if maybe Shazzie had gone to Pakistan to study Judaism. I'm more inclined to believe they were there trying to find their Buddhist roots.
UPDATE 7/14: A chemistry instructor at Leeds University has been implicated as the possibe as the mastermind behind the 7/7 bombings. The way the article is written, it sounds as if he may have been a graduate student but I'm not sure how the British University system works exactly.
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There must be somebody else behind this who has sent them down the wrong path.
Yeah, Muhammed.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at July 13, 2005 12:33 PM (H/XHo)
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"But I'm sure religion had nothing to do with this."
Rusty: I think you need to clarify this statement.
Basically, we learn that there were no outward signs to show that these Moslems would hvae done such a thing. No warnings, no red lights, no little things to look for. Thus, ANY Moslem might be capable of doing the same thing.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 12:36 PM (x+5JB)
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Pakistani people have good reason to fear reprisals in the U.K, a lot of them have already have been discriminated against.
The other side of this, is that Pakistani's that have assimilated into the society and pose no threat will be treated with equal suspicion and repulsion.
Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 12:46 PM (fsJ2z)
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Meanwhile Israel screams 'do you NOW see what we have been telling you for decades?', and half the world or more responds 'See what you dirty jews?'.
Sigh indeed.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 13, 2005 01:15 PM (jPCiN)
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I SAY: If they won't stop teaching and preaching hate and genocide in these madrassas in Pakistan (and everywhere else - including the disputed territories and Saudi Arabia) - and if they don't stop churning out suicidal/genocidal murdering maniacs - then we should bomb the madrassas to smithereens!
It would be a defensive measure - like bombing V2 factories in WW2!
IOW: Jihadist madrassas and mosques : GWOT :: V2 factories : WW2.
And it's time to freeze the bank accounts of ALL so-called Islamic Charities which give ANY money to ANY madrassa ANYWHERE, and any mosque which preaches genocidal hate - until they figure out how to police the madrassas and mosques themselves!
IOW: NOT A SINGLE PENNY should be allowed to go to any madrassa - or mosque which teaches or preaches genocidal hate. And we shouod shut down any mosque which was attended by a jihadists - like the mosque in Leeds.
That is, we should do these things IF we are serious about defending ourselves and defeating the enmy; if we're serious, THEN we should crack down on the madrassas and the mosques EVERYWHERE.
BUT, if we don't mind being butchered by these evil thugs, then by all means: let's just keep fighting them as we are!
Posted by: reliapundit at July 13, 2005 01:23 PM (2QbGQ)
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She believes the suspected bombers must have been influenced by a mastermind outside the local community.
I don't believe that is a far fetched, it is more than possible that they recruited from outside their community.
Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 01:41 PM (fsJ2z)
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No no no no no no NO! It was the JOOOOOOOooooooooos what did it! Greg says so, it must be true!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 03:04 PM (0yYS2)
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Thing is no one is going to admit they knew their children were involved are they.
I can just see it now " Oh yes Mr Policeman I knew my son was going to do this I told him not to get involved" We are very sorry he wont do it again........................
Posted by: Sparky at July 13, 2005 04:58 PM (F1nba)
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Mastermind is code for "Jew" among muslims. Of course, this makes sense really, since muslims are generally inept at everything. They did get their butts kicked by Israel, twice, despite superior numbers and equipment. Maybe greg is right, maybe the Jooooooooos are behind everything.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 06:50 PM (0yYS2)
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Doesn't matter where they are born. A muslim is a muslim and anyone who trusts them is a fool. Just look at their tract record. Virually every major problem in the world today can be attributed to the stinking little raghead weasels.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:30 PM (CBNGy)
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Many problems can be attributed to stale old white farts like you Aroosta.
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 09:04 AM (0PbLu)
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ROOSTER: JOIN THE MERCS IN IRAQ AND START YOUR PRIVATE WARS!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 09:10 AM (ScqM8)
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Please, if you morons could just come up with something substantive and/or original, I would stop fantasizing about letting you watch your own disembowling.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:38 AM (0yYS2)
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I Am Kafir, Hear Me Roar
Just when it seems that it's going to be a slow news day (Rove! Rove! Rove! blah blah blah) a perusal of the news drops some gems into my lap.
Note to squealers, bleaters, and general miscreants. These are AP stories via your beloved "Faux News."
Apology Not Accepted:
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Islamic leaders and peace groups are criticizing the California National Guard for a flier posted in its headquarters suggesting the United States execute Islamic terrorists with bullets dipped in pig's blood to deny them entry to heaven.
Oh the horror! Oh, the humanity! A tragedy of epic proportions. Now the terrorists will respond with a flier of their own, thereby perpetuating the Cycle of Offensive Fliers. Think of the trees!
Open Mouth, Insert Keffiyeh:
ALEXANDRIA, Va. — A prominent U.S.-based Islamic scholar who exhorted his followers after the Sept. 11 attacks to join the Taliban and fight U.S. troops was sentenced Wednesday to life in prison.
Congratulations! Now you can exhort Bubba to not commit bad gay acts upon you.
This Is How It's Done:
TULKAREM, West Bank — Israeli troops reoccupied the West Bank city of Tulkarem early Wednesday, killing a Palestinian policeman in a firefight and arresting five Islamic Jihad activists after the militant group killed four Israelis in a bomb attack.
Another example of why Islamofascism is a doomed enterprise. While they murder civilians minding their own business, the military forces of their adversaries remain largely untouched, and are given license to dispatch them to Allah at will. Well, unless the adversary is France, that is.
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"Police had no need of DNA evidence to identify the suspected bombers as the men were all carrying personal documents."
``It is as if they wanted their identities to be known,'' a police source told the Times of London. ``Their names will never be forgotten.''
http://news.bostonherald.com/international/view.bg?articleid=93582&format=&page=1
The guys get blown to hell but their documents are pristine, just like Mohammad Atta's passport. You know what? Go ahead and do the DNA testing just for grins. I know, I know, DNA fingerprinting is a laborious process, but let's be thorough.
Posted by: greg at July 13, 2005 12:24 PM (Ri9G+)
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Re: The Apology Not Accepted link
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"It's troubling to see a governmental organization dedicated to the security of our country promoting culturally and religiously insensitive ideas," - William Youmans, spokesman for CAIR
Dude, is it troubling that your Muslim, jihad brothers are being "culturally and religiously insensitive"? Have you
encouraged your fellow American-Muslims to take a robust part in, and integrate into, our society? Have you
discouraged them from cheering in the streets each time a terrorist act is committed?
This is the same man who has a problem with detaining people who are here illegally.
Two recognized religious figures in the Lodi Muslim community, Shabbir Ahmed and Mohammed Adil Khan, were also detained early this week on immigration violations. "That leaves everyone thinking if two well-respected people can be detained, anybody can be detained," said Youmans. "The whole community feels under assault."
By this logic, if my neighbor is arrested for committing a crime, I shoud be afraid they'll arrest me too? He encourages them to be afraid with this rhetoric.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 12:54 PM (fl6E1)
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They have video of the four meeting up. They have witnesses of the bus bomber, one of the four seen on tape. They found explosives in the car in which one of the men arrived at the station in. They found explosives in one of the houses in Leeds.
Better yet, none of these guys are walking around London saying "Wait, I didn't bomb anything."
I think it's safe to say these men did the terrorist attack, and believe it or not, documents can far much better than bodies in an explosion.
Posted by: Chad Evans at July 13, 2005 01:17 PM (Ievlo)
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Chad: correct. Nowhere in the article does the word "pristine" come up. That's just another of Greg's embellishments. A license embedded in a leather wallet in a back pocket will likely survive quite nicely. But see, Greg has no critical thinking skills.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 01:29 PM (fl6E1)
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Chad,
I've heard the same story that you recounted. I have not seen the video or even a still picture of the four suspects. Have you? As a scientist, I like to see hard evidence rather than relying on a second hand account.
Four of the 'terrorists' on 9-11 are still alive. I can give you a link to a BBC article that says as much, inter alia. I only recall seeing a picture of a man claimed to be one Mohammed Atta, supposedly at an airport in Portland, Oregon. I never saw a single picture of any of the other 18 'terrorists' going into the airports at their final point of departure. Have you?
Posted by: greg at July 13, 2005 03:21 PM (OiV6y)
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Hey greg, Atta's picture was taken in Portland, MAINE not Oregon. No wonder you have a problem with the facts as presented by the British Police.
Posted by: Airdale at July 13, 2005 05:26 PM (WOQ34)
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Portland, Maine. Damn. I used to go there once a week. I would have loved to have met this man from the Religion of Peace.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 06:38 PM (0T3aw)
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Greg the traitor still siding with the muslim terrorists. The west always wrong. British police now forging document and placing them on the bodies of shithead killers. Ya right.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:35 PM (CBNGy)
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YBP: The Portlander Motor Inn used to have a great bar. But that was thirty years ago when the taxpayers payed my bills there for 6 months. Thx taxpayers. I enjoyed it. Nothing like flying every Sunday night from Miami 80 degrees to Brunswich, Me. 8 degrees. Really wakes you up.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:42 PM (CBNGy)
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"The Portlander Motor Inn"
Greyrooster: The old quaint Maine is fast disappearing. No doubt it's been razed for townhouses.
Cheers, anyway.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 14, 2005 06:50 AM (x+5JB)
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Airdale:'Hey greg, Atta's picture was taken in Portland, MAINE not Oregon. No wonder you have a problem with the facts as presented by the British Police'
Nice deflection of the questions I raised, but so what.
Can you answer either of my 2 questions? Apparently, Chad cannot.
1)I have not seen the video or even a still picture of the four suspects. Have you?
2)I never saw a single picture of any of the other 18 'terrorists' going into the airports at their final point of departure. Have you?
Posted by: greg at July 14, 2005 07:29 AM (0PbLu)
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No greg, nobody saw them, except, wait for it...
THE JOOOOOOOoooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooOOOOOS!!!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:39 AM (0yYS2)
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WTW Preachers of hate and rainy day women
Well I'll tell you the low pressure center that was Dennis sure has ended that drought. Yep it started raining Sunday night and it's still misting rain right now. I Have some pretty good candiates this week. A veritible plethora of fools for your reading enjoyment.
The london bombers.
I've been reading all week how Muslims are appalled by these acts. Well here is another example of radical Islam.
Mohammed Bouyeri
"What moved me to do what I did was purely my faith. ... I was motivated by the law that commands me to cut off the head of anyone who insults Allah and his prophet,"
And to the mother of his murder victim.
"I have to admit I don't have any sympathy for you," he said. "I can't feel for you because I think you're a nonbeliever."
Full story from Yahoo
Now for those that lead them.
Sheikh Omar bin Bakri Muhammad
Saad al-Fagih
Mustafa Setmariam Nasar aka Abu Musab al-Asuri
Jamal Zougam
All these bums are profiled at the northeast intelligence network.
Leakers that hurt the war on terror and lot's more below the break. I mean lots more. Check it out.
more...
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>>>"I have to admit I don't have any sympathy for you," he said. "I can't feel for you because I think you're a nonbeliever."
Clearly he was driven to this psychopathic hatred by BushBlair and a desire to fuck Liberal weenies up the ass.
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Posted by: Howie at July 13, 2005 09:49 AM (D3+20)
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I know, it wasn't. I'm not very funny :-(
My only point is that this isn't about "blowback" like DSM and the Libs like to claim.
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 10:11 AM (8e/V4)
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...Tonya Harding has been the most influential person in Figure Skating history, and in all sports history, second only to Mohammad Ali.Uh, that site is a joke, right?
Posted by: Editor at July 13, 2005 10:13 AM (adpJH)
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Unfortunately these radical Islamists reflect the true face of Islam. Just ask yourself why their actions do not result in widespread outrage and attempts at repression by "so called" moderate Muslims. Spend some time reading the Koran and the answer will be clear.
There are no moderate true believers...just many non-violent true believers.
Posted by: RiverRat at July 13, 2005 10:15 AM (WY8yS)
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Correctamundo River Rat! The history of the last century is filled with examples of "peaceful" muslims who got bored and decided it was time to start killing infidels. Whenever bombers are described in the news, everyone claims they were sweet guys who had lots of friends. I don't doubt this, because it perfectly demonstrates the dual nature of the muslims mind. To us, killing people is a terrible thing, but to them, it's not only okay, it's sanctified. Muslims cannot live among civilized people.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 10:49 AM (0yYS2)
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Carlos: I know I detected the dripping sarcasm. Just thought I'd jerk your chain one time. Not fair to pick on greg all the time.
Posted by: Howie at July 13, 2005 11:34 AM (D3+20)
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Howie: We disagree for the first time. It is totally fair to pick on Greg at all times.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 11:51 AM (fl6E1)
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More and more I'm beginning to think these poisonous Muslims are the Islamic reincarnation of the 19th Century Thuggee - everything else and whatever they say is just rhetoric. We've dealt with them before.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at July 13, 2005 12:00 PM (hgd/M)
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Hey I think I found greg over at Erins blog.
http://www.gigglechick.com/erin/blog/004446.php
Posted by: Howie at July 13, 2005 12:34 PM (D3+20)
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OMG, Howie. That's hilarious. But, it looks more like us trying to communicate with Greg.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 01:34 PM (fl6E1)
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It is good isn't it.
Thanks to Erin who may give us some info on east coast conditions if what we all hope does not happen happens. She's not really political and I suspect may be Leftish. But her betrothed is in the service and she hates terrorists. So thanks to Erin for permission to link her site. It's pretty funny some days. She did post up first hand accounts of her commute on 7/7 and gave me some idea of what was going on there.
Posted by: Howie at July 13, 2005 01:58 PM (D3+20)
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Howie: You're wrong. It is very fair and fitting. I believe it should be a national pastime.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:47 PM (CBNGy)
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Baghdad Bomber Kills 24 Children
(Baghdad, Iraq) What sort of God would sanction the mass killing of children? Just like Beslan last year, the terrorists, militants, insurgents, jihadists, or whatever you want to call them have once again proven that they are nothing but child murderers. They are despicable human scum.
From ABC News Online:
Twenty-four Iraqi children and one US soldier have been killed in a suicide car bomb attack in south-eastern Baghdad.
US forces say 18 more children were wounded, along with two US soldiers.
"A driver approached one of the US Humvees and then detonated his car," Sergeant David Abrams said.
"One US soldier was killed and two wounded," he said.
One eyewitness, Mohammed Ali Hamza, says US forces turned up in the Al-Jedidah district to warn residents to stay indoors because of reports of a car bomb in the area.
"Children gathered round the Americans who were handing out sweets. Suddenly a suicide car bomber drove round from a side street and blew himself up," he said.
Bastards!
Overwhelming evidence indicates that the Muslim religion has been hijacked by a cult of thugs who intentionally kill innocent civilians, many of them women and children. This fact alone should be enough to shake the typical believer's faith.
Terrorists are criminals, plain and simple, waging a war against civilization and humanity. They have no loyalties save deathly violence. The grievances espoused by the terrorists are a mix of pick-any-card complaints that are impossible to satisfy because their real objective is the annihilation of all populations who are not subservient and enslaved to their death-mongering. Terrorists cannot be appeased, nor can they be satisfied. They will continue killing indiscriminately until they are exterminated.
True followers of the Muslim faith need to wake up and not take it anymore. They and their children are being murdered by fanatics.
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Can you imagine that car bomber, after a long waiting period he is finally given the opportunity to see his beloved god. He is ready and he is happy! Finally be able see his heaven and his promised 7 virginÂ’s (sick pedophile) Driving his car, maybe chained to the wheel so that he canÂ’t change his mind by jumping out. Sees his target, sees the children, but this is the moment he has been waiting for!
One US soldier dead plus 24 children. Bravo!
He will probably ask Allah for forgiveness of the poor girls!
May Allah send him to Hell instead!
Posted by: Dan Engels at July 13, 2005 07:28 AM (lSkty)
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Bush and Blair's Coalition of the Killing stir up the cursed qaedas over and over, stoking and stoking until the mix is burning hot and then blammo - they strike. B&B always talk of freedom yet ignore what drives such people to kill.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 13, 2005 08:36 AM (ScqM8)
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The worst quality of a leftist is the total abandonment of personal responsibility.
What in the world could possibly drive someone to kill 24 innocent children?
You blame Bush and Blair? I donÂ’t and I suspect an increasing number of Iraqis will not either. They will see these killers for what they are. Not the product of foreign policy, but cold-blooded killers who took 24 lives for no good reason.
As long as these killers can walk into train stations, busses, playgrounds and kill scores of people and have apologists like you, they will continue to do it. DSM your cause is shit and you carry the banner high.
Posted by: Brad at July 13, 2005 08:50 AM (pO1tP)
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DSM that is so worthless and weak.
Every time one of these guys does this type of thing, we should pull out our troops, and drop a daisy cutter bomb right in the middle of town. Eventually, one way or another, it will stop. Nuke mecca. It won't get any better. No religion advocates killing all those who will not submit except one..........
Posted by: King at July 13, 2005 08:52 AM (DIg3w)
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Michael Moore's minutemen. He would be proud.
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 08:55 AM (8e/V4)
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We already know "what drives such people to kill". A sick ideology and sick people who want to dominate everything from the way we dress to the way way we wipe our asses. They told us so. No one's ignoring it except you and your ilk. Say what you really mean, DSM. That you think we should accept it and submit. But please, take note of the freedom you enjoy in expressing your screed just before you acquiesce.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 09:18 AM (fl6E1)
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Downs Syndrome,
a jihadi told me they are driven to terrorism by a desire to fuck white Liberal weenies in the ass. Go ahead, give him what he wants.
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 09:24 AM (8e/V4)
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DSM. Muslim POS's have been blowing up innocent people for a long friggin time. Why do you insist on believing this is a recent phenomenon. To quote Red Foreman (PBUH) YOU'RE A DUMBASS!!!
Posted by: REMF at July 13, 2005 10:04 AM (aLiCo)
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Score one for the RoPT!
Carlos,
Please don't insult those with Downs by comparing them to DSM.
Posted by: Editor at July 13, 2005 10:05 AM (adpJH)
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any bets on this type of headline appearing in Al-Jazeera
US Soldiers Create Human Shields
Hand Out Sweets to Attract Children
In response to a credible intelligence threat regarding a planned car bomb, United States soldiers gathered around them swarms of small children as the soldiers began investigating the threat.
Military analysts consulted by Al-Jazeera believe that the practice of attracting crowds of children is designed to protect the legs, feet, and genital region of the American soldiers which are not as heavily protected as the torso. "The Bush administration finds it easier and cheaper to equip its soldiers with bags of candy than with adequate body armor" said an Iraqi policeman, who wished to remain anonymous.
Tragically, the informati....
et cetera.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 13, 2005 10:28 AM (DHSXc)
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Bumper, I hope you're just being an ass. If you believe that shit, you need to report for mandatory sterilization.
Posted by: REMF at July 13, 2005 10:34 AM (aLiCo)
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REMF
You should read bumpers post again. He is stating what the typical al Jazeera article might say about this.
There was another bombing in Israel that has again been mostly ignored. I guess dead Jews just don't factor into the equation.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 13, 2005 10:45 AM (jPCiN)
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How brave of that "warrior of allah", and yes, I believe Micheal Moore is proud.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 10:53 AM (0yYS2)
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Whoops. Please accept my apologies, Bumper. I'm a dumbass.
Posted by: REMF at July 13, 2005 11:06 AM (aLiCo)
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And not one Muslim country condems the attack on these kids.
Each and everyone of these animal bastards should be given a pigs blood bath before we have a Rabbi cut their throat.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at July 13, 2005 11:43 AM (yBHNA)
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Yeah, killing kids has a lot to do with B & B. After all, why didn't those children protest the American and British presence in Iraq? /
DSM you are a fool. These animals declared war on us decades ago. They will not stop killing innocents until we wipe them off the face of the earth.
Their cult calls for the complete domination of all non-believers. That includes you, your mom, your pals down at the neighborhood pub, etc.
Get with the program, educate yourself and join the fight to save western civilization.
Posted by: Airdale at July 13, 2005 05:36 PM (WOQ34)
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As usual Downing Street Moron to the rescue of the terrorist shit eating child killers.
Soon asshole soon.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:51 PM (CBNGy)
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Screw your death threats rooster, go to Iraq and join the mercs!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 09:12 AM (ScqM8)
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Rooster isn't making death threats to you. Not Rooster. So, you're from where again, boy? New York is it? Is that right boy?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:43 AM (0yYS2)
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I think people miss the bigger picture in all this. It just proves that this is not an attack on what americans do, this is an attack of desperation. These attacks continue, but not against the people that they despise, but against the men and women they are "Liberating". I find it amazing that they can feel they need to push us out of the country, by killing their own brethren.
And please everyone, try to remember the majority of Muslims, even from the middle east, Are not fringe terrorists, and would never take this kind of action for any reason.. Esspecially you REMF, you rear echelon moth...
Posted by: No longer a REMF at July 23, 2005 08:07 AM (aM7R+)
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Unilateralism...An Airborne Phenomenon!
From News.com.au
THE federal Opposition offered its support today for the Government's redeployment of special forces troops to Afghanistan.
Federal Opposition Leader Kim Beazley said that it had been obvious for
some time Australia needed to return to Afghanistan and finish the job
it began in 2001, after the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US.
Odd, that seems to be the same rationale for going into Iraq. To finish the job we began in 1990. Oops! That's MY rationale.
"The Opposition has for a long time argued that Afghanistan is terror
central and there is direct Australian national interest in ensuring
the success of the struggle against the remnants of the former Taliban
regime and al-Qaeda," Mr Beazley said in Perth
I'll give them a pass on this one, Iran is Terror Central.
Mr Beazley said it had been obvious for some time there was a high
likelihood al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, and his associates, were
hidden somewhere on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.
I think he's in Iran, myself. Why not Africa? Find a map. Figure out how to get from Tora Bora to Africa with half the world hunting your butt. Do the same vis a vis Iran. Disclaimer: I used the phrase "I think."
"It is absolutely critical that the work in Afghanistan succeeds. The
opposition has been making that clear for a considerable period of
time, so therefore we welcome and support the government's decision to
deploy the SAS," Mr Beazley said.
Well of course, considering that your electorate voted against you.
He said the SAS had an extraordinarily good record in Afghanistan and
represented precisely what was needed in the violence-riddled region.
My sentiments exactly. The Australian SAS, much like its British namesake, is extremely capable of quelling Islamofascist inspired violence.
By killing the Islamofascists committing the violence.
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Posted by: kerim at July 13, 2005 05:27 AM (R10iw)
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I got the tip on this late last night from LGF. Looked all over the MSM this morning not a word? For 2 days the Italian surrender was front page , lead item, news. No bigotry in the MSM? They just report the news? No censoring by the MSM.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at July 13, 2005 05:51 AM (Z6yVb)
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Mad Dog - I'm with Beth... I'm not color-blind, but red-on-green makes me wish I was!
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Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 13, 2005 06:33 AM (ScqM8)
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Another few words to cover for the 16 Bush said.. GREYROOSTER, be a soldier of one - JOIN THE ARMY! Gimpy did it and it screwed his mind up!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 13, 2005 06:40 AM (ScqM8)
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Goddamit now I'm pissed!
BUSH LIES - You little nyppletwist maggot scumbag, freak from the desert!
Rooster - "rumped" by the hairiest, bristliest wild boar and then married it. "The beast is out there.. and (s)he's hungry tonight!"
Thanos - a psychotic escapee from Angola Prison, loves to collect used condoms from under the Jersey boardwalk.
Gimpy - when not chained up and subject to humiliation can be found fantasizing about gore to the point of ecstacy.
Bradley Dearest - stay away from the Klansman Rooster..
PrincessKimberley - your makeup is worse than Debbie Schlussel and your mouth a disease.
Songun - Screw Bonehead KIM and your commie fantasies.
Robin Roberts - Go to the Amazon and meet your friends.
I gave up with the gasoline, so now I'm using diesel and gunpowder to smoke those gophers out! That wasp's nest blew up and the bastards almost got me.
To the Chickenhawks - JOIN THE ARMY OR SHUT UP ABOUT WAR!!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 13, 2005 07:02 AM (ScqM8)
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Downing Street Memo: Are you really Gottfried Benn???
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 08:26 AM (x+5JB)
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No. I'm pissed off at Bush and Blair's war and the goddamned qaeda blowback that comes with it. I chew tobacco and blow away wasp nests if that helps.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 13, 2005 08:38 AM (ScqM8)
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DSM: Perhaps if we weren't at war then there would be no "blowback"--NOW. But sooner or later these creeps would find their way over to our (relatively--I say this because of the rampant abortion) civilized countries and start killing us up close and personal. They are not content to live and let live. Best to have things come to a head over THERE now then live in false security, hoping they will be our buddies. It aint gonna happen.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 09:34 AM (x+5JB)
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DSM
You are quite simply an idiot of epic proportions. They were killing innocent people long before we ever even agreed we were at war with them. As much as you might try to paint their actions as retalitory in nature, they just aren't. The fact is, that in this war, they are the aggressors.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 13, 2005 10:50 AM (jPCiN)
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The only 'blowback' you know about hippy, is when your mom got you stoned to fondle your nuts.
Posted by: dave at July 13, 2005 11:09 AM (fsJ2z)
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An idiot of epic proportions, yes, I like that. In fact, if DSM were born during the time of the Vikings, I'm sure someone would have made a saga about him. If he were an ancient Greek, Homer would have written the Idiotad, as story about how the Greeks got betrayed by a coward who went over to the Trojans and gave up the secret of the Horse. In Rome he would have been a gladitorial idiot, (glidiotor?),and they would have filled the colosseum with people eager to see someone so stupid get eaten by a bear. During WW2 the axis forces would have used him for psywar by having him broadcast on the radio like Toky Rose, but instead of demoralising the troops, his job would have been to make them stupid by the sound of his voice.
Wherever he is, he's a sad, lonely loser, probably living in his mom's basement, and he knows the pizza guy on a first name basis, and looks up to him. His behavior shows him to be typical of this sort of person; he has no power in real life, and he sees himself as smarter and more capable than everyone else, but it's only because of the injustice of the system that he cannot succeed.
He isn't very well able to associate with other people, so when he attempts to communicate, he only ends up lashing out at normal, well adjusted people, but finds ready allies in other as unsocialized as he. He communicates on approximately the same level as a child between 5 and 10 years of age, which is where he stopped developing emotionally due to the traumatic departure of his father. He was never a Boy Scout, but he might have been in the school band, and he has never, ever, EVER even though about joining the military due to a conspicuous lack of balls, and he hates those who are brave enough to join.
He plays online fantasy games in which he has god-like abilities, but rarely ventures out into the real world, where he is powerless and totally unimportant. When he does go out, bookstores, coffee shops, and gaming stores are his haunts. He goes to the local shopping mall where he likes to hang out with others of his kind and ridicule normal people. The only girls who will talk to him are also losers in the genetic lottery, and will never be prom queens. He probably has violent fantasies about blowing up the mall, and he hates successful white people with a passion. He is a textbook loser.
Dr. Maximus prescribes supplemental injections of minerals into the cranial region.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 11:27 AM (0yYS2)
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Yes Gimprobulus, you go to pillow biting pumping parties
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 09:13 AM (ScqM8)
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Oh that was as smashing comeback old boy, simply smashing. Wait, you don't like being called BOY do you, boy? I'm sorry boy, that's unkind of me, isn't it boy?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:41 AM (0yYS2)
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I Am A Jedi, Like My Father Before Me
So, what does one do when given the keys to a blog such as this? Well, first off, one must pay homage to the host with the obligatory Star Wars quote (rendered above, as the title).
Then, one must provide the host with a visual reminder of why one was selected:

The next logical step, of course, would be to link to the blog I came from. Well, I already sort of did that on the post below. In the resultant excitement that came with being offered an opportunity to post here, I rushed in with what has been my most popular post to date at the homestead.
What I would rather do, instead of driving up my blog stats, as tempting as that is, is to provide links to the two things on my blog which provide me with the passion to keep blogging. They are two photo albums that yes, I own, but no, don't add to my blog stats, or to any ecosystem ranking.
First up, the images that the media refuses to reproduce, yet need to be seen, over and over again.
The Religion Of Peace Picture Page
Second, and inspired by Rusty on this very blog.
They Will Never Win A Pulitzer Picture Page
A prescient note; If the Hare Krishnas start beheading people and flying planes into buildings, I'll do a Flowers In The Airport Picture Page. If U.S. armed forces actually commit the atrocities they're accused of, I'll do a picture page on that too. However, don't belabor me with squeals of protest that I don't have a picture page filled with pictures of civilian casualties from "Bush's War." All wars have unintended consequences.
Plus, in my always ready to wipe out moonbat comments opinion, there's a difference between civilians being deliberately targeted, and those that aren't. We didn't start this war, they did. Back in 1979.
Don't like it? Tough. Here's the Koran verse that provides the text for the link to the ROPPP on my blog:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. - The Koran 9:29
Stick that in your hooka and smoke it.
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Welcome Vinnie. Do you play accordion? We need an accordion. And a 60mm mortar if you've got one lying around.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 01:17 AM (0yYS2)
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No, but I do a mean Ukelele.
And sorry, but the Weatherby .300 WinMag will have to do.
Posted by: Mad Dog Vinnie at July 13, 2005 01:21 AM (Kr6/f)
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Right out of Orwell. "War is peace!" The MSM is proving Orwell to be a brilliant prognosticator. It has been happening for over 20 years. The MSM tells us black is white. To call the religion of murder, hate and butchery the "religion of peace" shows how bigoted the MSM has been the last few decades.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at July 13, 2005 06:03 AM (Z6yVb)
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 13, 2005 06:41 AM (ScqM8)
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Rusty: Which one of those three guys is you?
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 10:44 AM (x+5JB)
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DING DING DING!!! We have a winner! Rod, give yourself a gold star bud, 'cause ya nailed it. One key tactic of propaganda and disinformation is to lie about everything, so that nobody can tell up from down eventually. Not only is the MSM unwilling to tell the truth, they are incapable, they don't know how. They may think they're telling the truth, but they no longer have the capacity to discern the truth due to their indoctrination.
Most people in the media are probably decent people with sincere intent, but they have been brainwashed, and now do the work of their masters not knowing better. The more prominent ones, such as Dan Rather, et al, are the ones who most willingly propagate the party's dogma. The current situation is nothing less than the full fruition of plans set in motion by Lenin almost a hundred years ago, and propounded by Marx almost a hundred and fifty years ago.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 11:38 AM (0yYS2)
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July 12, 2005
You Lose
This was originally posted at Vince Aut Morire in response to the London bombings. It is being reproduced here because, well, Rusty said I could.
Nice try. Really it was. Is that all that you have left? Since 9/11, I seem to have noticed the significance of your efforts falling off drastically, from Bali to Madrid to today. What's the matter, are we a little busy elsewhere?
Yes, you are celebrating while watching the misery broadcast worldwide on the cable news networks, and you pronounce your victory over the infidel on the web.
But the book of History was being written long before your pedophile prophet slunk his way out of his hole in the sand to wreak havoc amongst the civilized world.
I'm no expert in the history of Great Britain, but I do know enough to say that your pathetic attempt today represents no more than a pinprick to the proud history of that nation. The legend of King Arthur was centuries old when Mohammed was but an infant.
It's time to face reality.
The explosives you used, you didn't invent. The internet you use to crow, you didn't invent. The bus and trains you blew up, you didn't invent. The printing presses you shut down in your home countries, you didn't invent.
You didn't build the AK-47s you fire into the air. You didn't build the planes you fly in. You didn't build the cars you ride in. Those jeans you're wearing? You didn't make those either.
Show me the three Islamic countries with the highest number of oil reserves, and I'll show you the three Western oil companies you had to hire to even get it out of the ground. You didn't even invent the tools that brought you your wealth.
You're so pathetic you even kill your own. A sure sign of desperation, such as when Hitler sent dissenting generals to near certain death on the Eastern Front.
You exploit the laws of the free societies, which you also did not invent, in order to kill. Yet, while you slaughter the unsuspecting on their way to work, the armies you shy away from butcher you on your home turf. That's right, while you kill the innocent in the name of Allah, your ummah, and the dream of the global Caliphate, shrink further on the map of the world.
So next time, show us what you really got. Build the planes, tanks, ships, and armies to show us just how badass you really are. Instead of hiding in the dark corners of the world, raise a military and invade the West, on equal terms. You've done it before, now try it again. Take back Andalusia, not by immigrating, do it the old fashioned way. Sail your mighty navy into the Strait of Gibraltar and take back what was rightfully yours. Oh, I'm sorry, you can't. You're incapable. Hell, you didn't even invent the suicide attack.
Keep showing who you are. Keep killing the innocent. You'll still lose.
More:
"It's just getting started."
Still more (reading this blog makes me want to look at the family tree for a missing relative)
Militant islam has given us more than enough evidence to rush to judgment
against them - and if you canÂ’t call the indiscriminate violent
execution of innocent men, women and children evil, then you need to be
put to sleep like a diseased dog - and fast.
Yet more (and yet another look at the Vinnie family tree)
And what's even more fun, Ahmed, is that you just know that
he'll be back, just as quiet and deadly as the night before. Maybe
he'll come for you this time, maybe he won't, but there'll be one less
of your friends around when the sun comes up, night after night after
night.
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Bravo old chap, bravo. Well said indeed.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2005 10:31 PM (0yYS2)
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And this is the real reason they hate us. How can infidels and jews who worship the devil be masters of the world while the lions of Allah are servants and hirelings. It cannot be allowed to stand.
Posted by: Carlos at July 12, 2005 10:39 PM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
That's the fallacy they just don't get and their Mullahs haven't told them.
The ideology of Islamofascism is doomed to failure for the reasons listed above. It's still stuck in the 12th Century.
It's no different than the other failed ideologies of Nazism, Communism, and Fascism that have be relegated to the dustbin of history.
The key failure is not recognizing the free will of men and women.
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 12, 2005 11:16 PM (daGW4)
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Well said. Hit the nail on the head.
My take: The Muslim community/religion/race whatever the hell one wishes to call it has had plenty of time to control their own. They have chosen not to as long as others are dying. I honestly believe its time for them to suffer. Cruel yes. However, I'm really not concerned about the muslims of the world. I'm concerned about my people. Time to strike back. Let the muslim world know they will suffer to. They excuse the terrorists as zealots out of the mainstream of Islam. Not a good enough excuse for my people to suffer. We need to turn our zealots loose and the Government needs to approach them the the same lackadazical attitute the muslim nations do. I WISH TO ASK THE MUSLIMS HOW DOES IT FEEL TO HAVE YOUR CHILDREN BLOWN UP BY ZEALOTS FROM ANOTHER RELIGION?
Posted by: greyrooster at July 12, 2005 11:25 PM (CBNGy)
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Shit: This is what I've been trying to say for over a year. The jealous little camel jockies produce nothing but trouble. They feel inferior to the people of the west. The reason. They are inferior. They are to busy with their small minded religion to be competitive with modern society. Islam and modern civilization doesn't mix. We are too concerned about these backward animals. We should save our concern for those with the ability to progress. As long as Islam hangs like an anchor around their necks they cannot progress and the rest of the world cannot trust them. I'm to the point of believing that the modern world should just take them over. Capture all the oil fields and govern them for their own good. Islamic nations need to be controlled as it is obvious they cannot controll themselves. Remember, ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIM.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 12, 2005 11:36 PM (CBNGy)
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Yeah, I remember when I had my first beer.
Posted by: Mad Dog Vinnie at July 13, 2005 12:08 AM (Kr6/f)
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 12:36 AM (CBNGy)
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Vinnie, you're a freak, you'll fit in nicely. Line to the left, one cross each.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 12:37 AM (0yYS2)
Posted by: Ariya at July 13, 2005 12:42 AM (noCGr)
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Ya know, it must really suck to be a terrorist right now. Just think, they used to live like rock stars, hijacking airplanes at will, walking away after murdering a few hostages, then heading to Lebanon to party like an indifel with stupid European girls on slum vacations. They really had it good, it was rare that anyone ever lifted a hand against them, but Osama bin Dumbass had to come along and screw things up. Now they live in caves and can't find refuge in many places, except of course, America, where they enjoy greater protection and freedom than anywhere else, especially their home countries. The irony would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 12:49 AM (0yYS2)
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Klansman Rooster, recovering from being jumped by the horny wild boar is now scatching his bristled up back. Grunt, grunt!!
Gimp, still dancing around with a dog collar around his neck and in his Pulp Fiction suit loathes my pest control, yet advocates genocide.
This blog is full of lunatics!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 13, 2005 06:38 AM (ScqM8)
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This blog has two lunatics. DSM and Greg. Or is that "idiots"? I forget.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 07:54 AM (YudAC)
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Oyster,
The pure lunatics are Boar-ed Klanrooster, who dreams of going on a "raghead hunt" should his son meet a fate like those in Fallujah and Gimprobulus ugliest who dreams of biological warfare on a Billion people. You losers should be ashamed of your sordid selves - JOIN THE ARMY!
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DSM: Then I guess "idiot" actually WAS the proper word for you. Thanks for the clarification.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 08:37 AM (fl6E1)
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It's a contest between DSM and greg; they're competing for the title of Village Idiot. Every internet forum has one, and they've both staked out this one as their territory. I wonder what sort of personality disorder makes someone want to be hated by everyone? It's an odd phenomenon, but I guess if you're a loser, it's better to be hated than ignored, because people have to notice you to hate you.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 11:30 AM (0yYS2)
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DSM
YOur comments regarding Greyrooster's son are uncalled for you are a very ignorant man I hope your family never come to any harm because of YOUR stupidity. I have been reading your comments for a while know and find you full of anger why dont you join the army and get rid of some of those frustrations. The man son is fighting for his country YOU may not think this war is JUSTIFIED but another you may agree with Where will he be then fighting for your freedom I bet we wouldnt hear you complain then would we. FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Posted by: Sparky at July 13, 2005 05:09 PM (F1nba)
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OOPS
For a while NOW not Know its the accent
Posted by: Sparky at July 13, 2005 05:10 PM (F1nba)
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Downing Street Moron: Soon.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:59 PM (CBNGy)
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 09:14 AM (ScqM8)
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DSM wrote: "Go to iraq, rooster!",
DSM,
I am not currently in Iraq, but I did spend a year there as an infantryman with the 1st Cav. I wasn't a fueler, a driver, a cook, or a clerk, but a rifle fire team leader. That being said, I hearby defer my "I went to Iraq" cred to anybody else on this site that you imply doesn't have the guts to go. Now will you please refrain from using that tired old "chickenhawk" smear? Thanks.
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Hell Freezes Over: Jawas on CNN

Boost to ego from mention on CNN--
ten points on the John Edward's self-love scale.
Boost to traffic from mention on CNN--Zilcho on the Sitemeter scale.
I hear that The Jawa Report got a full minute of coverage from CNN's Inside Blogs today for this post. If any one taped it I'd sure love to see a copy. Even if you just saw it let me know what was said. I'd really like to know if "The Jawa Report" was said with a straight face. Take that Llamas and Cranky Neocon punks from Reseda!
UPDATE: Found the video over at DEMbloggers. Go check it out. I've also got a few still images below. Jacki Shechner actually utters the words "Jawa Report" on air. Unfortunately she's off camera so we can't tell if she keeps a straight face or not.
Why did we make CNN? Because I took the contrarian view that Karl Rove should be fired. They say my thoughts are more typical of the left-leaning blogospher than the right. Of course, the leftosphere wants Rove to resign cause they think he's a felon (or worse), I want him to resign because I don't think we need a scandal to distract us from the more important job of killing Islamofascist terrorist.
Isn't that just like CNN to find a pro-Bush site and then to run a post critical of the administration? Not that I'm looking a gift-horse in the mouth--forgive me oh great Overlord Ted Turner for my gainsaying! We worship you and your partners at Time-Warner, Inc and pledge obedience to the Fonda goddess!!
Also mentioned by CNN:
Steve Taylor called a 'bigger blogger' by CNN [APSA insiders note to Joyner, Steve and Stotch: no giggling out loud] for an unrelated post and because Toner Mishap complains that Taylor needed more cowbell at his blog. Did I say cowbell? I meant Plame.
Just One Minute defends Rove on legalistic grounds
Fishkite mentioned because he saved Wilson's bio which names Plame
Louise Slaughter, not really a blog.
TPM Cafe has former McCain advisor who says Rove won't go.
Fishbowl was at the press conference today, and the CNN report indicates that the press may have been so hard on McClellen because the leftardosphere had been giving them heat.
UPDATE II: Thanks for all the well wishes. I do read the comments and follow trackback links, even if I do not always leave a comment. Oh, and some guy named "Eric" who I've never heard of and claims some sort of 'blog-son' relationship to me sends me a link to the transcript.
JACKI SCHECHNER, CNN BLOG REPORTER: Well, John, we tried really hard to find some people who weren't talking about Karl Rove, and the only other person they seem to be talking about was Scott McClellan, and that was because he won't talk about Karl Rove.
We found an interesting post today at the The Jawa Report. This is mypetjawa.mu.nu. Now, this is a right-leaning blog, but they're saying something that we're hearing from the left, and that's that President Bush should fire Karl Rove. Why, they say? Because he's creating a political scandal, that he voted for President Bush, not Karl Rove. Get rid of him. This is not what we need in a time of war.
ABBI TATTON, POLITICAL PRODUCER: And that's, yes, not typical from the right, but something we're certainly seeing on the left in the blogs and in the halls of Congress, and congresspeople with their blogs as well joining on this one.
more...
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I saw it. Wait, did you say CNN? Nevermind.
Posted by: Editor at July 12, 2005 04:58 PM (adpJH)
Posted by: Howie at July 12, 2005 05:01 PM (D3+20)
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Ian Schwartz or Trey Jackson probably have it.
Posted by: Chris Short at July 12, 2005 05:01 PM (0OCQY)
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Rusty,
if you want more CNN and MSNBC coverage, just keep ragging on Rove or Bush and they'll make you a star.
Posted by: Carlos at July 12, 2005 05:27 PM (8e/V4)
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Saw the clip. Sorry, I'm not sick enough to watch cnn but the clip was good. Picture showed up nice.
Posted by: Bubbe at July 12, 2005 06:38 PM (cbAi4)
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False advertising works. I do it everytime I put a bra on.
Posted by: Oyster at July 12, 2005 07:26 PM (YudAC)
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All I can hear is Stu Nahan's line from Rocky IV:
What started out as a joke has turned into a disaster!
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at July 12, 2005 07:50 PM (OU663)
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Now the 'tards are really gonna come after ya Rusty, but yer gonna be famous boy! Now we all have to develop our characters carefully; I'll be the crazy cousin that lives in a fortified compound in the woods, which would be funny if it weren't true.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2005 07:56 PM (0yYS2)
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Dr. Rusty,
The Rove story is a big nothing. The essential criminal element of the underlying crime that the MSM is so hot after does not exist. This is a much ado about nothing. The MSM can't help themselves but there are two other stories the American people and the free world need to hear that the LL and the MSM is too busy with this story to cover.
Oh well if they come here on the Rove story then here's the stories the MSM is not telling them about.
See my post over at Roger L. Simon:
PURE UNADULTERATED HORSE PUCKY!
Roger,
This is so pure unadulturated horse pucky. Fortunately we in the Blogos know differently. Unfortunately the American people and the free world do not.
There are two significant stories in the world today that the LL and the MSM are not reporting. Unfortunately they smell blood on the Rove story. As Jihadist are to Iraq as moths are to a porch lite, the LL and the MSM are drawn to any smell of blood that would taint this President.
The Rove story is a much ado about nothing, a tempest in a teapot and a non story, but they can't help themselves like sharks churning the water on a chum line.
[...]
RLS Link
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 12, 2005 08:48 PM (0XTbN)
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 12, 2005 09:20 PM (JQjhA)
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And all it took was giving them one of our own. I donÂ’t think you brought any lefties over by handing them RoveÂ’s head. Like someone said before, they will just go on to the next one.
I liked your thread on Ted Kennedy last week, his adultery, drunkenness, and responsibility in the murder of a young girl he dated behind the back of his wife and family. Nothin compared to the trumped up left screaming about Rove.
IÂ’ll wait for Kos to denounce Kennedy and FOX to sing praises to him.
IÂ’ll wait, IÂ’ll wait, and IÂ’ll wait.
Not good.
Posted by: Brad at July 12, 2005 10:11 PM (pO1tP)
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Way to go Rusty! But next time, shoot for something substantial, like "Fresh Air" on NPR. Now
that's news.
Posted by: Gordon at July 13, 2005 07:48 AM (dEFhD)
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One thing to note, while Ted does still live and work down the street, he's not 'overlord' of CNN anymore. After the AOL Time Warner Merger, Ted was sidelined and then eventually outed entirely. He sold his majority of stock and no longer has a controlling interest in the companies that he built. Much to our dismay. Ted, while colorful was quite capable of eating his plate of crow and asking for seconds. All you had to do was corner him and show him the facts. His comments over the Michael Jackson trial was first rate in my opinion.
Posted by: Ryan Gill at July 17, 2005 11:51 AM (C1Uof)
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Do-It-Yourself Festival of the Feisty Fatwas
I'm busy, but I'm sure there are a lot of great posts out there needing a plug. Simply link your post to this post and send a trackback.
Insha'allah, a
fatwa will automatically appear and a thousand mujahidin will be sent to punish you for your apostasy and blasphemy!
Oh, and be sure to click on the fatwas below before the Zionist-Crusador forces intervene.
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Very good title for this post, I must say. I posted something scarily on-topic, but it's by far not one of my better posts. Sorry bout that.
Posted by: Feisty at July 12, 2005 02:17 PM (QBrm4)
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Dear Dr. Schackleford:
I am not a big fan of King of the Hill but within the last week or so your name, Rusty Shcakleford, was mentioned in an episode. Some friend of Pat Hill was up in a clock tower pretending to be armed and screaming wild insanity at people he hated. He said something about "and take that Rusty Shackleford." Just thought you should know.
PS - I congratulate you on your great courage in taking on Islam. Unlike some other bloggers I could name (Freerepublic.com and Ace of Spades)you show no fear of terrorists. Allah be praised!
Posted by: 72VIRGINS at July 12, 2005 03:29 PM (dhRpo)
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CORSI: Riot In Iran
FYI - Just in from Dr. Zin at Regime Change Iran
www.regimechangeiran.com
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Dr. Jerome Corsi, WorldNetDaily:
CORSI: Riot In Iran
I have been receiving phone calls today from credible Iranians around the world who are saying that the mullahs and their hired thugs are beating and arresting activist dissidents who are outside Evin Prison protesting for the release of Akbar Ganji, who has been on a hunger strike for the last month.
Ganji has gained international attention, not only because of his hunger strike, but also for his series of reports investigating the murders of several prominent dissidents and intellectuals. The mullahs imprisoned Ganji to silence him. His writing was very effective in showing the black hand of the mullahs whom he directly accused of being willing to kill opponents so they could stay in power.
Dr Zin's Link
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Ken TImmerman, Foundation for Democracy in Iran:
Thousands of protesters gathered in the streets in front of Tehran University today, calling on the regime to free political prisoners, including jailed journalist and author, Akbar Ganji.
According to callers from Tehran who gave live reports to National Iranian TV in Los Angeles, some 4,000 to 10,000 protestors had gathered, despite a police crackdown.
Toward 8 PM local time (11:30 AM Eastern time), female protestors who had taken off their chadors were being assaulted by regime riot police and plainclothes bassiji enforcers, and hauled off to police stations. According to local residents, the regime shut down all phone service in the vicinity of the demonstration, so callers had to go to other parts of the city to get information out to overseas broadcasters.
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Reuters:
Iranian police beat dozens of protesters with batons on Tuesday at a demonstration to call for the release of Iran's most prominent jailed journalist.
About 150 people, mostly students, had gathered in front of Tehran University chanting "political prisoners must be freed" when dozens of police moved in to break up the protest.
The rally was in support of Akbar Ganji, an outspoken critic of the Islamic state's clerical leadership who was sentenced to six years in jail in 2001 for articles he wrote alleging links between senior officials and the murder of political dissidents. Ganji's family and lawyers say he is suffering from poor health and needs medical treatment outside prison. They say he has been on hunger strike for more than 30 days.
Despite the crackdown, NITV reported, the crowds of demonstrators continued to grow after the evening rush hour. Developing...
Posted by: Ron Wright at July 12, 2005 05:22 PM (0XTbN)
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Pig piss and dog vomit be upon them!
http://princesskimberley.blogspot.com/2005/07/we-see-them-in-street-killing-and.html#comments
Posted by: princesskimberley at July 12, 2005 09:56 PM (LNA9X)
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Live, from Fallujah - it's brazen genocide! Greyrooster in a wild fit took a dump and flew over to join Bush's battle. Will he make it back?
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 13, 2005 06:44 AM (ScqM8)
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Arrest Made in London Bombings
Hat tip to Blogs of War for this. According to CNN
British troops--yes,
troops-- raided a home this morning in Leeds. The fact that
troops were involved makes me suspect the Brits are finally taking the war against Islamic extremism with the proper attitude. Also note that it looks like the attrocities were carried out by
homegrown suicide-mass-murderers.
BBC has more:
An arrest has been made in Yorkshire after the identity of the suspected London bus bomber led police to make a series of raids.
Security sources said the bus bomb suspect died in the blast but it is unclear if it was a suicide bombing.
They believe the four bombers were British born and all died in Thursday's bombings.
Police have carried out controlled explosions in Leeds and Luton and searched six houses.
BBC home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore said all four bombers were believed to have died in the blasts.
Meanwhile police in Leeds are looking for explosives and have already seized some material.
An unoccupied house in the Burley area of Leeds was one of six raided in Leeds after the attacks. Up to 600 people have been evacuated from the area....
Meanwhile in Luton the railway station has been closed and a cordon placed around an area that also covers the bus station and parts of Luton University campus.
Police said a car they believe may be connected to the London bombs has been found in the car park....
An anti-terrorist hotline for anyone who might have information for the police has been set up on 0800 789 321.
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Hmmm. Leeds, which has a large MOSLEM population.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 11:37 AM (x+5JB)
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SHould not have been too hard to find the bombers. Just look for the dirty beards stuck to the road. I hope they are enjoying hell- They get to hang out with the Kennedy.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at July 12, 2005 12:09 PM (yBHNA)
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I also heard somewhere that Leeds has a large Anglo-Saxon population, but I could be mistaken.
Posted by: greg at July 12, 2005 12:45 PM (ljxzQ)
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could it be they were of the Amish religion?
Posted by: Carlos at July 12, 2005 12:47 PM (8e/V4)
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"I also heard somewhere that Leeds has a large Anglo-Saxon population, but I could be mistaken."
Yes, deport the Anglo-Saxons. Make room for more Asians and Middle-Easterns.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 12:52 PM (x+5JB)
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All 4 suspects are British born. Could it be they have the wrong suspects?
Posted by: greg at July 12, 2005 12:52 PM (ljxzQ)
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No, just the wrong religion.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 12:53 PM (x+5JB)
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Greg, no one here cares where someone is born. It's what one carries in ones valise we worry about.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 12:55 PM (x+5JB)
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Yup. Muslims come in all shades from dark brown to lily white. It's the ideology, not the color.
Posted by: Oyster at July 12, 2005 01:00 PM (fl6E1)
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YBP,
I hope you won't be too disappointed if the suspects are Anglos.
It's curious that one of the suspects families had reported him missing. He must have fooled his own family into believing that he wasn't a terrorist. Or maybe the familial inquiry was a distraction to throw the police off track.
Posted by: greg at July 12, 2005 01:01 PM (ljxzQ)
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>>>"Yup. Muslims come in all shades from dark brown to lily white. It's the ideology, not the color."
Yes, but you're still a "racist." Islam is a race, didn't you know?
Posted by: Carlos at July 12, 2005 01:01 PM (8e/V4)
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>>>"YBP, I hope you won't be too disappointed if the suspects are Anglos."
greg,
I hate to dissapointed you like this, but YBP made no reference to race.
Posted by: Carlos at July 12, 2005 01:03 PM (8e/V4)
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greg, you see "moslem" and read "arab". You know what that makes you? A racist.
Posted by: Carlos at July 12, 2005 01:08 PM (8e/V4)
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YBP, My mistake.
But I'm sure that Filthy, Aroosta and Gluteus will derive more satisfaction from the arrest, should they be muslim, especially if they are dirty Aye-Rhabs.
Filthy;Just look for the dirty beards stuck to the road.'
Posted by: greg at July 12, 2005 01:09 PM (ljxzQ)
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'Dear God, please let them be Aye-Rhabs'
Yours truly,
Gluteus Maximus
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Greg: No problem.
Your hypothesis about the suspect's family is an interesting one. And we have to remember that at this point, he's only a suspect.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 01:13 PM (x+5JB)
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Oh shit, now whitey can't have a beard. I guess I better go shave...
Posted by: Editor at July 12, 2005 01:17 PM (adpJH)
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I've been told I'm a Zionazi. What ever the hell
that is.
Posted by: Oyster at July 12, 2005 01:18 PM (fl6E1)
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Greg: I don't think Filthy meant anything derogatory with his comment regarding facial hair. His own beard is no-doubt quite filthy and stiff with goat fluids.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 01:18 PM (x+5JB)
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Maybe it's like kosher ham.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2005 01:20 PM (0yYS2)
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There's probably some of that in his beard, too.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 01:21 PM (x+5JB)
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YPB:'And we have to remember that at this point, he's only a suspect.'
Too bad he's dead. It's hard to coerce a confession by torture out of a dead man.
Wait a gosh darn minute, I'll bet he was carrying a confession note in his pocket. It probably flew off in the blast, but I'll bet it will be found in pristine condition in due course - kind of like Atta's passport.
Posted by: greg at July 12, 2005 01:22 PM (ljxzQ)
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Mmmmm, koshher ham marinated in goat fluids...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2005 01:23 PM (0yYS2)
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"It's hard to coerce a confession by torture out of a dead man."
You know, I'll bet there are a few on this site who could probably do it.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 01:24 PM (x+5JB)
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I think greg has a taste for man-milk flavored with goat fluids, taken straight from the tap.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2005 01:27 PM (0yYS2)
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YBP'Greg: I don't think Filthy meant anything derogatory with his comment regarding facial hair.'
Heavens no. Filthy has never uttered a derogatory word in his life. He's quite the gentleman and handy with the ladies. Or is he handy with himself?
Posted by: greg at July 12, 2005 01:28 PM (ljxzQ)
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"handy with the ladies"
Greg--You must not insult His Filthiness. His family crest includes the quaint motto "One in the hand is worth two in the bush."
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 01:30 PM (x+5JB)
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Improbulus was suckled by a wolf. But unlike Romulus and Remus, it was a male wolf.
Posted by: greg at July 12, 2005 01:31 PM (ljxzQ)
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Wow, one rabellaisian comment by me and there goes the thread's topic!
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 01:34 PM (x+5JB)
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Oh, greg, didn't you learn by 8th grade that you don't use a comback of the same genre unless it's crushingly superior? Poor thing, but then, I don't suppose the short bus provided an adequate training ground experience for you.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2005 01:38 PM (0yYS2)
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Just
reading this thread hurts.
Posted by: Oyster at July 12, 2005 01:45 PM (fl6E1)
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"Poor thing, but then, I don't suppose the short bus provided an adequate training ground experience for you."
But then at least the helmet he was required to wear kept out the evil Zionist mind control rays.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 12, 2005 01:46 PM (jPCiN)
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>>>"kind of like Atta's passport."
Atta's passport was found by the same guy who surfed 82 floors down the falling wreckage of the towers without suffering a scratch. It's true, I read it on the internet. In fact he had it in his pocket during the ride down.
Posted by: Carlos at July 12, 2005 01:46 PM (8e/V4)
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Wasn't that the tourist guy who got attacked by a shark at the observation deck just before the plan hit?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2005 07:59 PM (0yYS2)
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Plane, that is. Damn, it's not my day.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2005 08:13 PM (0yYS2)
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I believe Greg the traitor is going to have to eat shit on this one. Who cares about the color. British citizen, British born, these are nothing but deceptive words in an attempt by terrorist excuse makers such as Greg the traitor and Downing Street Moron.
The truth is. Doesn't matter where they were born or which country issues their passports. What is important is (1) Are they Muslim.
(2) Where did their parents come from. If they are say from Syria. In truth by racial makeup and religion they are not English.
A piece of paper doesn't control your heart.
My money is on them being Arab or middle eastern by Race and stinking muslims by religion. We will see. Brits are too brave to be sneak bombers.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 11:13 PM (CBNGy)
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Tom Cruise Not Welcome in Paris
(Paris) If you're a communist, socialist, anarchist, or jihadist, you'll likely not be hassled in France. Unfortunately, Tom Cruise picked the wrong "ist."
From The Australian:
THE Paris city hall has pledged not to make US actor Tom Cruise an honorary citizen - because of his membership of the Church of Scientology.
In a debate late yesterday, the Socialist-controlled municipal assembly approved a resolution "never to welcome the actor Tom Cruise, spokesman for Scientology and self-declared militant for this organisation."
The French, along with many other European countries, have deemed that Scientology is a dangerous cult and Cruise is considered a "sect-symbol" for the cult.
My take is that one doesn't have to be European to suspect that Scientology is a cult. Just take a close look at Tom Cruise's eyes while he's being interviewed.
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Well I'll be damned, the froggies do at least have one scrap of sense. Of course the irony of the fact that they can't extend the same derision to islamofascists will no doubt be lost on them.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2005 11:16 AM (0yYS2)
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IM
I will swallow my general dislike for French politicians and state that they are very good at putting Islamic agitators on planes and getting them the hell out of their country.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 12, 2005 11:25 AM (jPCiN)
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It IS a dangerous cult!
But only spiritually. I've not yet read about any of them ever blowing up people.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 11:31 AM (x+5JB)
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"...one doesn't have to be European to suspect that Scientology is a cult. Just take a close look at Tom Cruise's eyes while he's being interviewed."
Yes, he could almost be a Stepford Wife.
The Hubbard Wives???
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 11:35 AM (x+5JB)
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Anyone who seeks to control the lives and minds of others, especially by means of lies and force, is my enemy. This leaves me precious few allies in the world, but one ally of true integrity and honest intent is worth an army of fair weather friends.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2005 11:51 AM (0yYS2)
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IM: Plus, he's a dweeb.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 12:32 PM (x+5JB)
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From sex-symbol to sect-symbol. That's gotta suck. Cruise is a lot of things - gullible being one - but militant? Sheesh. To the French, suicide bombers and be-headers are insurgents, but Cruise is a militant. Wow.
Posted by: Oyster at July 12, 2005 12:35 PM (fl6E1)
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scientologists don't go around bombing trains and schoolbuses.
Posted by: Carlos at July 12, 2005 12:36 PM (8e/V4)
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A girlfriend I once had called him "Ratboy."
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 12:56 PM (x+5JB)
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Still, the bufoon who squirted him with water was a jerk. I don't blame Ratboy for getting angry.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 12, 2005 01:15 PM (x+5JB)
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The last time I checked he was still free to choose his own "religion" regardless.
Posted by: Oyster at July 12, 2005 01:19 PM (fl6E1)
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And we are still free to ridicule him. Vive la liberte!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2005 01:21 PM (0yYS2)
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Who's this 'Tom Cruise' you speak of?
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 12, 2005 02:22 PM (JQjhA)
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The cad who used to me married to Nicole Kidman, Australian goddess. Otherwise, his life and works are of no concern.
Posted by: Flea at July 12, 2005 03:20 PM (/xoLB)
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I certainly believe that prople are free to choose their own religion,as long as they can keep their noses out of others.The problem with this particular group is their musing re:medicine. I have a brother-in-law who was attending some "church" down in Texas, I cannot say that I know for sure whether it was Scientology or not,but they professed that same belief and told my B-I-L to quit his meds,and he did. A few days later he went totally KAZOO and rammed his truck into rent-a cops around a University. He's now in Tex.Corrections doing at least 10 years.TC needs to keep his mouth shut re:meds, he's not a doctor.And yes he looks quite Stepford-ish.
Posted by: sumerose at July 12, 2005 04:22 PM (8IMNe)
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In all fairness to Tom (can't believe I'm typing this), there has to be a balance here. Obviously some people with serious conditions need meds, but we are, these days, a little too quick to slap a prescription on someone--especially children diagnosed with ADD. Some restraint is called for on the medical profession.
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 13, 2005 08:10 AM (x+5JB)
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